@Scaleblade said: Honestly the fact lowendspirit doesn't ban these types of advertisements
Well since you asked ....
It's not an offer thread. It's a thread by the LES Official Troll who started the thread to troll the provider. I expect he did this because he agrees with you that it was a totally unrealistic offer at 99 years and $399. If the OP was somebody shilling the offer I expect it would have been squashed PDQ.
That said, there is no rule against one time payment offers. Personally I try to use some judgement when evaluating "lifetime" offers, and based on this thread I expect that most LES members do as well.
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We'll be quite simple here: you're (Scaleblade) assuming multiple things and you clearly didn't read the entire topic. Only that justifies references which are clearly not updated and have changed throughout.
But some quick bulletpoints:
Telehouse, as a datacenter, going in? The company that exists since 1988 (and in Germany since 2012)? Not a chance.
Purchases by Google can happen to anyone, but don't happen to everyone.
The one-time payment for these VPSes is very limited in stock (in comparison to the global VPS pool), as we've said earlier on this topic, for sustainability reasons. It's absolutely obvious it wouldn't be sustainable if we had like 40 or 50%. It's 5%.
Obviously we won't disclose our policy for hardware renewal, but it's obviously predicted as well, as it has to be with, well, any provider.
Your answer assumes we are irresponsible. It's solely your opinion.
Lastly - we didn't and won't advertise these lifetime offers at this or any forum. You didn't see any post from ours with a link. They are well outside of the pricing interval, wouldn't be abiding by the rules. This was done by a different user which we are unrelated to.
One thing is for sure, it's not a nice way to do/enter a conversation - and another thing is for sure, we will keep doing our current one-time payment offer.
@cservers said:
We'll be quite simple here: you're (Scaleblade) assuming multiple things and you clearly didn't read the entire topic. Only that justifies references which are clearly not updated and have changed throughout.
Best regards.
This response worries me of your fundamental misunderstanding of this industry and should be a cautionary tale to anyone that reads this. Let me break down your points for everyone else to see:
Telehouse, as a datacenter, going in? The company that exists since 1988 (and in Germany since 2012)? Not a chance.
Telehouse is 10% of the size of Equinix (the New York datacenter that I used as an example), land acquisition as well as legislation and hell even the cost of power in Germany is well above anything within Telehouse' demise. We use Telehouse ourselves in London, they're great and I 100% recommend it to anyone, but you want to convince me that if lets say in 10 years there is a massive shift in Germany's power pricing that isn't going to completely destroy your margin and ability to offer this service not at a loss?
Purchases by Google can happen to anyone, but don't happen to everyone.
It was an example of a large datacenter being bought out by another party and everyone inside being kicked out a year later. Not a what will happen, purely a possibility.
The one-time payment for these VPSes is very limited in stock (in comparison to the global VPS pool), as we've said earlier on this topic, for sustainability reasons. It's absolutely obvious it wouldn't be sustainable if we had like 40 or 50%. It's 5%.
That's good, basically as long as you're not a client within that 5% you're not totally false advertising then.
Obviously we won't disclose our policy for hardware renewal, but it's obviously predicted as well, as it has to be with, well, any provider.
Understandable and I respect it.
But what I am trying to caution everyone (and who knows maybe I might even be cautioning you at this point) that expecting anyone to take a one-time $399 payment to basically then provide you a service (with very variable monthly costs to operate) should not be a realistic expectation.
Think you can prove me wrong?
I would love this. Honestly if there is a provider out there that can support a business model of this one-time payment for 99 years that would be awesome.
What do I personally believe is the bare minimum to achieve this?
1. Your company be a non-profit with the sole purpose of maintaining internet history (think internet archive structure)
2. You need to have public hardware cycle information as well as operating costs. Breakdowns showing how that each one of those 399 dollars you get is used to maintain hardware, network, infrastructure, staffing, emergency recovery, etc.
3. Transparent funding model as well as public accountability on how you're storing that initial payment, how you're investing it outside of your company to ensure that it doesn't depreciate with time.
If your defense for this whole sham is "I dont advertise it on the forums that its banned on" then I think that tells us everything we need to know about your company and the services it offers.
Thank you @FrankZ for clarifying, that was my mistake, I didn't realize this wasn't an offer thread. @yoursunny you got me bro.
EDIT: I read some of your other replies as admittedly I saw the ludicrousness of this thread and jumped straight to a reply.
C-Servers basically plans to fill their nodes with 5% of these lifetime deals, from what I can tell this utilizes existing nodes that their other VPS lineup sells off of.
Good idea in theory - but along with everything else in my post this entirely relies on the question Can C-Servers sell their main VPS lineup for the next 99 years regardless of regulatory, site or industry change?.
If your answer is yes to this pls dm me the lottery numbers for next week and let me know how much that magic glass ball is gonna cost me cause that's the real deal in this thread, not the vps.
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Well since you asked ....
It's not an offer thread. It's a thread by the LES Official Troll who started the thread to troll the provider. I expect he did this because he agrees with you that it was a totally unrealistic offer at 99 years and $399. If the OP was somebody shilling the offer I expect it would have been squashed PDQ.
That said, there is no rule against one time payment offers. Personally I try to use some judgement when evaluating "lifetime" offers, and based on this thread I expect that most LES members do as well.
Peace on earth will come to stay, when we all live as LESbians every day.
For staff assistance or support issues please use the helpdesk ticket system at https://support.lowendspirit.com/index.php?a=add
We'll be quite simple here: you're (Scaleblade) assuming multiple things and you clearly didn't read the entire topic. Only that justifies references which are clearly not updated and have changed throughout.
But some quick bulletpoints:
Your answer assumes we are irresponsible. It's solely your opinion.
Lastly - we didn't and won't advertise these lifetime offers at this or any forum. You didn't see any post from ours with a link. They are well outside of the pricing interval, wouldn't be abiding by the rules. This was done by a different user which we are unrelated to.
One thing is for sure, it's not a nice way to do/enter a conversation - and another thing is for sure, we will keep doing our current one-time payment offer.
Best regards.
This response worries me of your fundamental misunderstanding of this industry and should be a cautionary tale to anyone that reads this. Let me break down your points for everyone else to see:
Telehouse, as a datacenter, going in? The company that exists since 1988 (and in Germany since 2012)? Not a chance.
Telehouse is 10% of the size of Equinix (the New York datacenter that I used as an example), land acquisition as well as legislation and hell even the cost of power in Germany is well above anything within Telehouse' demise. We use Telehouse ourselves in London, they're great and I 100% recommend it to anyone, but you want to convince me that if lets say in 10 years there is a massive shift in Germany's power pricing that isn't going to completely destroy your margin and ability to offer this service not at a loss?
Purchases by Google can happen to anyone, but don't happen to everyone.
It was an example of a large datacenter being bought out by another party and everyone inside being kicked out a year later. Not a what will happen, purely a possibility.
The one-time payment for these VPSes is very limited in stock (in comparison to the global VPS pool), as we've said earlier on this topic, for sustainability reasons. It's absolutely obvious it wouldn't be sustainable if we had like 40 or 50%. It's 5%.
That's good, basically as long as you're not a client within that 5% you're not totally false advertising then.
Obviously we won't disclose our policy for hardware renewal, but it's obviously predicted as well, as it has to be with, well, any provider.
Understandable and I respect it.
But what I am trying to caution everyone (and who knows maybe I might even be cautioning you at this point) that expecting anyone to take a one-time $399 payment to basically then provide you a service (with very variable monthly costs to operate) should not be a realistic expectation.
Think you can prove me wrong?
I would love this. Honestly if there is a provider out there that can support a business model of this one-time payment for 99 years that would be awesome.
What do I personally believe is the bare minimum to achieve this?
1. Your company be a non-profit with the sole purpose of maintaining internet history (think internet archive structure)
2. You need to have public hardware cycle information as well as operating costs. Breakdowns showing how that each one of those 399 dollars you get is used to maintain hardware, network, infrastructure, staffing, emergency recovery, etc.
3. Transparent funding model as well as public accountability on how you're storing that initial payment, how you're investing it outside of your company to ensure that it doesn't depreciate with time.
If your defense for this whole sham is "I dont advertise it on the forums that its banned on" then I think that tells us everything we need to know about your company and the services it offers.
Thank you @FrankZ for clarifying, that was my mistake, I didn't realize this wasn't an offer thread. @yoursunny you got me bro.
EDIT: I read some of your other replies as admittedly I saw the ludicrousness of this thread and jumped straight to a reply.
C-Servers basically plans to fill their nodes with 5% of these lifetime deals, from what I can tell this utilizes existing nodes that their other VPS lineup sells off of.
Good idea in theory - but along with everything else in my post this entirely relies on the question Can C-Servers sell their main VPS lineup for the next 99 years regardless of regulatory, site or industry change?.
If your answer is yes to this pls dm me the lottery numbers for next week and let me know how much that magic glass ball is gonna cost me cause that's the real deal in this thread, not the vps.
Someone wanna to be my bro, I see.
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