@terrorgen said:
I guess PayPal charge backs are now fair game for those with servers that went offline.
LOOL
I was thinking that days ago because my annual plan ends in July, but I don't know... PayPal is already very rude with customers from my country, so it's not crazy that they think I'm the scammer
@terrorgen said:
I guess PayPal charge backs are now fair game for those with servers that went offline.
LOOL
I was thinking that days ago because my annual plan ends in July, but I don't know... PayPal is already very rude with customers from my country, so it's not crazy that they think I'm the scammer
Paypal is a business; it's main goal is in it's own profits and it's own protection. Paypal does not care about your race or your skin colour. Stop making this look like racism in order to victimise yourself with the purpose of looking somewhat important. If you feel like blaming someone, blame the provider for failing to honour your contract, but not a payment processor.
If your annual plan ends in July, this means you have passed the 180 days mark as per Paypal terms for disputes. Tough luck on anybody in this position (including me). May NexusBytes enjoy the money they took.
@terrorgen said:
I guess PayPal charge backs are now fair game for those with servers that went offline.
LOOL
I was thinking that days ago because my annual plan ends in July, but I don't know... PayPal is already very rude with customers from my country, so it's not crazy that they think I'm the scammer
Paypal is a business; it's main goal is in it's own profits and it's own protection. Paypal does not care about your race or your skin colour. Stop making this look like racism in order to victimise yourself with the purpose of looking somewhat important. If you feel like blaming someone, blame the provider for failing to honour your contract, but not a payment processor.
If your annual plan ends in July, this means you have passed the 180 days mark as per Paypal terms for disputes. Tough luck on anybody in this position (including me). May NexusBytes enjoy the money they took.
C'mon now ... calm down. He never said anything about his skin color. He said he lives in a region with a high risk factor so they get higher scrutiny when they charge back.
@terrorgen said:
I guess PayPal charge backs are now fair game for those with servers that went offline.
LOOL
I was thinking that days ago because my annual plan ends in July, but I don't know... PayPal is already very rude with customers from my country, so it's not crazy that they think I'm the scammer
Paypal is a business; it's main goal is in it's own profits and it's own protection. Paypal does not care about your race or your skin colour. Stop making this look like racism in order to victimise yourself with the purpose of looking somewhat important. If you feel like blaming someone, blame the provider for failing to honour your contract, but not a payment processor.
If your annual plan ends in July, this means you have passed the 180 days mark as per Paypal terms for disputes. Tough luck on anybody in this position (including me). May NexusBytes enjoy the money they took.
C'mon now ... calm down. He never said anything about his skin color. He said he lives in a region with a high risk factor so they get higher scrutiny when they charge back.
Can't blame him. There are people from a certain country who goes to victim mode really quickly.
@terrorgen said:
I guess PayPal charge backs are now fair game for those with servers that went offline.
LOOL
I was thinking that days ago because my annual plan ends in July, but I don't know... PayPal is already very rude with customers from my country, so it's not crazy that they think I'm the scammer
Paypal is a business; it's main goal is in it's own profits and it's own protection. Paypal does not care about your race or your skin colour. Stop making this look like racism in order to victimise yourself with the purpose of looking somewhat important. If you feel like blaming someone, blame the provider for failing to honour your contract, but not a payment processor.
If your annual plan ends in July, this means you have passed the 180 days mark as per Paypal terms for disputes. Tough luck on anybody in this position (including me). May NexusBytes enjoy the money they took.
C'mon now ... calm down. He never said anything about his skin color. He said he lives in a region with a high risk factor so they get higher scrutiny when they charge back.
Can't blame him. There are people from a certain country who goes to victim mode really quickly.
Oh no doubt ... but I'm starting to see similarly people jump to attack mode really quickly too. Both behaviors are "wrong"(*1).
*1 - Exclusively my opinion and only relevant to this location. Other Green Forums need not apply.
@skorous said:
Oh no doubt ... but I'm starting to see similarly people jump to attack mode really quickly too. Both behaviors are "wrong".
Attack mode is good when people complain without grounds (180+ days passed = no refund as per PayPal terms).
However, you might have forgotten this is a thread where everything tends to go into attack mode. A provider has deadpooled, left customers hanging without any announcements, without any support, and adopted the tactic of total silence. With all this deadpool in effect, owner still has fans though, making the whole mess even more interesting as a popcorn drama (*1).
*1 - This is my opinion, because I like dramas too, other green forums included.
@skorous said:
Oh no doubt ... but I'm starting to see similarly people jump to attack mode really quickly too. Both behaviors are "wrong".
Attack mode is good when people complain without grounds (180+ days passed = no refund as per PayPal terms).
However, you might have forgotten this is a thread where everything tends to go into attack mode. A provider has deadpooled, left customers hanging without any announcements, without any support, and adopted the tactic of total silence. With all this deadpool in effect, owner still has fans though, making the whole mess even more interesting as a popcorn drama (*1).
@FrankZ@Mason Can we please get this officially documented as an exception to the "Don't be a dick" rule? I wasn't aware that a provider deadpooling is a free pass and I'm a bit miffed that I've missed so many opportunities.
@skorous said:
Oh no doubt ... but I'm starting to see similarly people jump to attack mode really quickly too. Both behaviors are "wrong".
Attack mode is good when people complain without grounds (180+ days passed = no refund as per PayPal terms).
However, you might have forgotten this is a thread where everything tends to go into attack mode. A provider has deadpooled, left customers hanging without any announcements, without any support, and adopted the tactic of total silence. With all this deadpool in effect, owner still has fans though, making the whole mess even more interesting as a popcorn drama (*1).
I wasn't aware that a provider deadpooling is a free pass and I'm a bit miffed that I've missed so many opportunities.
Well... @seriesn is not banned or retired. Maybe such fact could be considered as an answer to your concern.
@skorous said:
Oh no doubt ... but I'm starting to see similarly people jump to attack mode really quickly too. Both behaviors are "wrong".
Attack mode is good when people complain without grounds (180+ days passed = no refund as per PayPal terms).
However, you might have forgotten this is a thread where everything tends to go into attack mode. A provider has deadpooled, left customers hanging without any announcements, without any support, and adopted the tactic of total silence. With all this deadpool in effect, owner still has fans though, making the whole mess even more interesting as a popcorn drama (*1).
I wasn't aware that a provider deadpooling is a free pass and I'm a bit miffed that I've missed so many opportunities.
Well... @seriesn is not banned or retired. Maybe such fact could be considered as an answer to your concern.
Not sure how that's relevant. I'm asking for an exception to the "Don't be a Dick" rule. Something like, "Anytime a provider deadpools there is a mourning period of [x] days where people are free to be asshats to each other no questions asked." I've apparently been misunderstanding the rule for the past several years.
Perhaps you can help. Do we start from the last date they make an appearance? The first server going offline? The last? This is going to be a nightmare to document but it's obviously important work. We need to get this right.
@skorous said:
Oh no doubt ... but I'm starting to see similarly people jump to attack mode really quickly too. Both behaviors are "wrong".
Attack mode is good when people complain without grounds (180+ days passed = no refund as per PayPal terms).
However, you might have forgotten this is a thread where everything tends to go into attack mode. A provider has deadpooled, left customers hanging without any announcements, without any support, and adopted the tactic of total silence. With all this deadpool in effect, owner still has fans though, making the whole mess even more interesting as a popcorn drama (*1).
I wasn't aware that a provider deadpooling is a free pass and I'm a bit miffed that I've missed so many opportunities.
Well... @seriesn is not banned or retired. Maybe such fact could be considered as an answer to your concern.
Not sure how that's relevant. I'm asking for an exception to the "Don't be a Dick" rule. Something like, "Anytime a provider deadpools there is a mourning period of [x] days where people are free to be asshats to each other no questions asked." I've apparently been misunderstanding the rule for the past several years.
Perhaps you can help. Do we start from the last date they make an appearance? The first server going offline? The last? This is going to be a nightmare to document but it's obviously important work. We need to get this right.
It is a nightmare indeed, especially when there are fans involved trying to protect the provider who deadpooled in the first place. There is a reason why it is called popcorn drama, and wanting exceptions to rules which already have exceptions (provider unbanned) only contributes by adding more salt to that drama created in the first place.
Derailing the discussion into attacks between members (when actually there are misunderstood PayPal terms), only adds some spice to the whole popcorn. But hey! A fan has to do what a fan has to do, right?
@skorous said:
Oh no doubt ... but I'm starting to see similarly people jump to attack mode really quickly too. Both behaviors are "wrong".
Attack mode is good when people complain without grounds (180+ days passed = no refund as per PayPal terms).
However, you might have forgotten this is a thread where everything tends to go into attack mode. A provider has deadpooled, left customers hanging without any announcements, without any support, and adopted the tactic of total silence. With all this deadpool in effect, owner still has fans though, making the whole mess even more interesting as a popcorn drama (*1).
I wasn't aware that a provider deadpooling is a free pass and I'm a bit miffed that I've missed so many opportunities.
Well... @seriesn is not banned or retired. Maybe such fact could be considered as an answer to your concern.
Not sure how that's relevant. I'm asking for an exception to the "Don't be a Dick" rule. Something like, "Anytime a provider deadpools there is a mourning period of [x] days where people are free to be asshats to each other no questions asked." I've apparently been misunderstanding the rule for the past several years.
Perhaps you can help. Do we start from the last date they make an appearance? The first server going offline? The last? This is going to be a nightmare to document but it's obviously important work. We need to get this right.
It is a nightmare indeed, especially when there are fans involved trying to protect the provider who deadpooled in the first place. There is a reason why it is called popcorn drama, and wanting exceptions to rules which already have exceptions (provider unbanned) only contributes by adding more salt to that drama created in the first place.
I'm confused are you now saying @seriesn not being banned is the reason you are acting this way? I thought it was because he deadpooled on you ( and presumably lost some money ). Perhaps I misunderstood that too. Man, I'm having a really bad time of things lately!
Derailing the discussion into attacks between members (when actually there are misunderstood PayPal terms), only adds some spice to the whole popcorn. But hey! A fan has to do what a fan has to do, right?
You're going to have to be a little more direct. As I said earlier, I'm not at the top of my game today. Am I the fan of NB? How does my calling out your bad behavior equate me to a fan of theirs? I'm mainly confused because I've never had any service with them and can't think of any direct communication between us at all. Yet again you're right about the derailing though as well. We should split this off into a separate thread. Thoughts on a thread title? I was thinking, "The When's, Why's, and Where's Bad Behavior is Acceptable". That way it can be a living reference for my proposed rule change.
@root said: Well... @seriesn is not banned or retired. Maybe such fact could be considered as an answer to your concern.
Not banned or retired because if he did want to put in an appearance and comment he could not if he was banned or retired.
Of course he no longer has a provider tag or is on the LES provider list. I don't think anyone knows what all the circumstances are concerning what has happened here yet. We may never know.
@skorous said: I'm asking for an exception to the "Don't be a Dick" rule. Something like, "Anytime a provider deadpools there is a mourning period of [x] days where people are free to be asshats to each other no questions asked."
EDIT: I am caught up now. The exception to the "Don't be a Dick" rule requested above is denied, but there is no rule against being an asshat. For the rest of it @MichaelCee has been in this thread, and I have not, so I don't want to step on his toes.
No, but I need it and can’t wait for someone to try and sell it to me for $1000
In your place, I might just go for "smallweb2e", which is still available. You know, "smallweb 2nd edition". You can thank me later
(Trying to get "smallweb" back would probably cost you an arm and a leg )
"A single swap file or partition may be up to 128 MB in size. [...] [I]f you need 256 MB of swap, you can create two 128-MB swap partitions." (M. Welsh & L. Kaufman, Running Linux, 2e, 1996, p. 49)
No, but I need it and can’t wait for someone to try and sell it to me for $1000
In your place, I might just go for "smallweb2e", which is still available. You know, "smallweb 2nd edition". You can thank me later
(Trying to get "smallweb" back would probably cost you an arm and a leg )
Unfortunately there are accounts under that domain.
"accounts"?
I've probably missed something
I was simply looking at available domain names
"A single swap file or partition may be up to 128 MB in size. [...] [I]f you need 256 MB of swap, you can create two 128-MB swap partitions." (M. Welsh & L. Kaufman, Running Linux, 2e, 1996, p. 49)
@MichaelCee - why do you feel the need to take that domain? You want to see all these angry customers of NexusBytes complain to you by opening support tickets for their lost services?
Maybe the solution would be to grab that domain on a different TLD of your choice, if you like the name that much. This way you would avoid any possible connections with NexusBytes, angry customers, or bad reviews.
No, but I need it and can’t wait for someone to try and sell it to me for $1000
Anyone can register this domain when it's deleted.
If I get it, I'll be sure to post an auction, and forum rules can ensure that you get the domain for much less than $1000.
@root said: @MichaelCee - why do you feel the need to take that domain? You want to see all these angry customers of NexusBytes complain to you by opening support tickets for their lost services?
Maybe the solution would be to grab that domain on a different TLD of your choice, if you like the name that much. This way you would avoid any possible connections with NexusBytes, angry customers, or bad reviews.
Don’t want to relaunch it Pls see above for explanation
@skorous said: @FrankZ@Mason Can we please get this officially documented as an exception to the "Don't be a dick" rule?
If someone deadpools and leave their customers hanging, I would not say that calling them out for it qualifies as "being a dick".
Whether or not defending such a move would qualify as "being a dick by association" is open for discussion.
But in both cases it is possible to avoid being a dick by simply using somewhat civilized language and sticking to facts, so the rule as it stands is not that bad.
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LOOL
I was thinking that days ago because my annual plan ends in July, but I don't know... PayPal is already very rude with customers from my country, so it's not crazy that they think I'm the scammer
Backend Ruby Dev and Linux user
Paypal is a business; it's main goal is in it's own profits and it's own protection. Paypal does not care about your race or your skin colour. Stop making this look like racism in order to victimise yourself with the purpose of looking somewhat important. If you feel like blaming someone, blame the provider for failing to honour your contract, but not a payment processor.
If your annual plan ends in July, this means you have passed the 180 days mark as per Paypal terms for disputes. Tough luck on anybody in this position (including me). May NexusBytes enjoy the money they took.
Stop the planet! I wish to get off!
C'mon now ... calm down. He never said anything about his skin color. He said he lives in a region with a high risk factor so they get higher scrutiny when they charge back.
@MichaelCee did you get back smallweb domain
https://webhorizon.net
Can't blame him. There are people from a certain country who goes to victim mode really quickly.
The all seeing eye sees everything...
Oh no doubt ... but I'm starting to see similarly people jump to attack mode really quickly too. Both behaviors are "wrong"(*1).
*1 - Exclusively my opinion and only relevant to this location. Other Green Forums need not apply.
Attack mode is good when people complain without grounds (180+ days passed = no refund as per PayPal terms).
However, you might have forgotten this is a thread where everything tends to go into attack mode. A provider has deadpooled, left customers hanging without any announcements, without any support, and adopted the tactic of total silence. With all this deadpool in effect, owner still has fans though, making the whole mess even more interesting as a popcorn drama (*1).
*1 - This is my opinion, because I like dramas too, other green forums included.
Stop the planet! I wish to get off!
@FrankZ @Mason Can we please get this officially documented as an exception to the "Don't be a dick" rule? I wasn't aware that a provider deadpooling is a free pass and I'm a bit miffed that I've missed so many opportunities.
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Well... @seriesn is not banned or retired. Maybe such fact could be considered as an answer to your concern.
Stop the planet! I wish to get off!
Not sure how that's relevant. I'm asking for an exception to the "Don't be a Dick" rule. Something like, "Anytime a provider deadpools there is a mourning period of [x] days where people are free to be asshats to each other no questions asked." I've apparently been misunderstanding the rule for the past several years.
Perhaps you can help. Do we start from the last date they make an appearance? The first server going offline? The last? This is going to be a nightmare to document but it's obviously important work. We need to get this right.
It is a nightmare indeed, especially when there are fans involved trying to protect the provider who deadpooled in the first place. There is a reason why it is called popcorn drama, and wanting exceptions to rules which already have exceptions (provider unbanned) only contributes by adding more salt to that drama created in the first place.
Derailing the discussion into attacks between members (when actually there are misunderstood PayPal terms), only adds some spice to the whole popcorn. But hey! A fan has to do what a fan has to do, right?
Stop the planet! I wish to get off!
I'm confused are you now saying @seriesn not being banned is the reason you are acting this way? I thought it was because he deadpooled on you ( and presumably lost some money ). Perhaps I misunderstood that too. Man, I'm having a really bad time of things lately!
You're going to have to be a little more direct. As I said earlier, I'm not at the top of my game today. Am I the fan of NB? How does my calling out your bad behavior equate me to a fan of theirs? I'm mainly confused because I've never had any service with them and can't think of any direct communication between us at all. Yet again you're right about the derailing though as well. We should split this off into a separate thread. Thoughts on a thread title? I was thinking, "The When's, Why's, and Where's Bad Behavior is Acceptable". That way it can be a living reference for my proposed rule change.
Not banned or retired because if he did want to put in an appearance and comment he could not if he was banned or retired.
Of course he no longer has a provider tag or is on the LES provider list. I don't think anyone knows what all the circumstances are concerning what has happened here yet. We may never know.
Let me catch up before I comment further.
For staff assistance or support issues please use the helpdesk ticket system at https://support.lowendspirit.com/index.php?a=add
I thought there was an official support form, where people can ask to be unbanned if they have something important to say.
Stop the planet! I wish to get off!
Yes, there is a ban appeal option in the help desk, but what would be your reasoning for banning someone who is not here ?
For staff assistance or support issues please use the helpdesk ticket system at https://support.lowendspirit.com/index.php?a=add
EDIT: I am caught up now. The exception to the "Don't be a Dick" rule requested above is denied, but there is no rule against being an asshat. For the rest of it @MichaelCee has been in this thread, and I have not, so I don't want to step on his toes.
For staff assistance or support issues please use the helpdesk ticket system at https://support.lowendspirit.com/index.php?a=add
No, but I need it and can’t wait for someone to try and sell it to me for $1000
Michael from DragonWebHost & OnePoundEmail
Provider deadpool with ignoring customers.
Stop the planet! I wish to get off!
In your place, I might just go for "smallweb2e", which is still available. You know, "smallweb 2nd edition".
You can thank me later 
(Trying to get "smallweb" back would probably cost you an arm and a leg
)
"A single swap file or partition may be up to 128 MB in size. [...] [I]f you need 256 MB of swap, you can create two 128-MB swap partitions." (M. Welsh & L. Kaufman, Running Linux, 2e, 1996, p. 49)
Unfortunately there are accounts under that domain.
Michael from DragonWebHost & OnePoundEmail
"accounts"?
I've probably missed something
I was simply looking at available domain names
"A single swap file or partition may be up to 128 MB in size. [...] [I]f you need 256 MB of swap, you can create two 128-MB swap partitions." (M. Welsh & L. Kaufman, Running Linux, 2e, 1996, p. 49)
@MichaelCee - why do you feel the need to take that domain? You want to see all these angry customers of NexusBytes complain to you by opening support tickets for their lost services?
Maybe the solution would be to grab that domain on a different TLD of your choice, if you like the name that much. This way you would avoid any possible connections with NexusBytes, angry customers, or bad reviews.
Stop the planet! I wish to get off!
Anyone can register this domain when it's deleted.
If I get it, I'll be sure to post an auction, and forum rules can ensure that you get the domain for much less than $1000.
Accepting submissions for IPv6 less than /64 Hall of Incompetence.
Website accounts that were not part of the brand sale.
Michael from DragonWebHost & OnePoundEmail
Don’t want to relaunch it
Pls see above for explanation
Michael from DragonWebHost & OnePoundEmail
If someone deadpools and leave their customers hanging, I would not say that calling them out for it qualifies as "being a dick".
Whether or not defending such a move would qualify as "being a dick by association" is open for discussion.
But in both cases it is possible to avoid being a dick by simply using somewhat civilized language and sticking to facts, so the rule as it stands is not that bad.
Damn, I got triggered by a Paypal cancellation of my payment and now have missed out on all the 'fun'.
Worst thing is: I can't even remember what I had running with him ;-(