I have VMs that are not available on the interweb on nodes LAXA031, LAXA029 and LAXA026. Others on nodes LAXA022 and LAXA019 are available. I can ping the VMs that are down from the ones that are up so ......
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@FrankZ said:
I have VMs that are not available on the interweb on nodes LAXA031, LAXA029 and LAXA026. Others on nodes LAXA022 and LAXA019 are available. I can ping the VMs that are down from the ones that are up so ......
When I run mtr 172.98.13.** -w -c 10 with either --tcp or --udp towards my VM on LAXA030, I get a 100% packet loss...
Any updates on LA network situation? Even tho I did not received any notifications on my uptime monitors, some of my VPS is still not accessible to some parts of the world...
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At this point I'm putting on my conspiracy theory hat.
Looks like they decided to consolidate IP addresses. We don't use fully QN addresses for servers, we actually have it set up in a way where we can quickly switch to our own, except I have to be able to access IPMI and that's another issue at this point related to the other partial routing problems.
Anyway, the way the people are talking about it, seems like the new people who took over just decided to do it this way. I can't think of any reason it'd be done this way unless they just bought QN for the IPv4 and really really just want people to move out so they have some extra space. Seems to be the datacenter version of buying a building and wanting to kick out the tenants to make more money except you have to do it in a shady way to make sure there's still "technically" connectivity and whatever else.
Like there's no way upper upper management just thought okay cool let's make sure we keep the same staff, do a major consolidation of an entire datacenter we purchased, and while we do that, let's also do maintenance on the network, and then also renumber everyone but like in a really weird way where we send no notifications out to maximize the headache for everyone. It'd be understandable (coming from personal experience) if these weren't literally their addresses. It's not like they have some issue with the people leasing it to them. Or that they're even switching them to some other addresses they're leasing. Like they definitely just wanted to have a bunch of /24 blocks and not have it partially used by one customer as a /28 or whatever, it doesn't even seem like the people doing the work understand what's going on. No mention of it whatsoever last time when we contacted them, like it'd be a really good time for them to just go "oh by the way we don't know when or why, but your IP blocks might get revoked WHILE we also have connectivity issues that makes it difficult for you to even access IPMI so maybe I don't know do whatever you want." Or even let me access the facility and do my own work. They closed my ticket for facility access with no reply.
I'll basically paraphrase this from the last time I spoke with someone in another company that was behaving in a self-destructive way. We can technically do our best to deal with it all, but most other companies that pay you probably aren't going to put up with it at all. And once that happens, unless a bigger fish just keeps the cycle of infinite acquisitions going, it's going to end as a 12 hour notice type deal like Dedipath.
That's my way of saying I'm looking into what we need to do as a more permanent solution to the problem (Edge Centres LLC.)
Oh god are they actually founded in 2021 and they're just buying cheap facilities and ruining them and just buying more? It's that type of company? Hahaha and their tagline or whatever, name, "AI based data center solutions for edge computing." They're Edging investors with their SEO.
@VirMach said: Oh god are they actually founded in 2021 and they're just buying cheap facilities and ruining them and just buying more?
Maybe vulture capitalism has made another appearance. I saw this going on up close in the '80s. Make a holding company, buy other companies, sell off all the parts, put off paying vendors for as long as you can, put the secondary companies into bankruptcy, profit.
@VirMach said: Their CEO's name is Jon the end is nigh.
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@grasple said:
there is an elegance to buying up tier-7 DCs just to plunder their legacy IPv4 space, the dirt bag capitalism 2025 engenders
Someone at WHT brought up the prices IPv4 are going for. Suppose the new owners got a few million dollars for the IP space at a cost of their customers and reputation. I can't imagine the owners will break even on the deal considering how much they must've spent to purchase the business -- or even just to purchase the building.
@grasple said:
there is an elegance to buying up tier-7 DCs just to plunder their legacy IPv4 space, the dirt bag capitalism 2025 engenders
Someone at WHT brought up the prices IPv4 are going for. Suppose the new owners got a few million dollars for the IP space at a cost of their customers and reputation. I can't imagine the owners will break even on the deal considering how much they must've spent to purchase the business -- or even just to purchase the building.
maybe. or maybe they didn't "purchase" a building, but bought an interest in a lease, or their veiled corp financed the purchase of property and can default without recourse etc etc, maybe they paid an upfront price and offered the previous owners earnouts etc.
they definitely seem uninterested in running a DC well, so it is fun to speculate why they bought a DC.
@grasple said: maybe. or maybe they didn't "purchase" a building, but bought an interest in a lease, or their veiled corp financed the purchase of property and can default without recourse etc etc, maybe they paid an upfront price and offered the previous owners earnouts etc.
That's a fair point. QN probably had an unusual structured lease-back agreement, which makes sense if they don't want to be managing property all day. Either way, the money they’d get for the IP space pales in comparison to the value of the business they just destroyed.
I mean, selling off the IPs you assigned to your customers isn't great. Doing it without warning is profoundly stupid.
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I have VMs that are not available on the interweb on nodes LAXA031, LAXA029 and LAXA026. Others on nodes LAXA022 and LAXA019 are available. I can ping the VMs that are down from the ones that are up so ......
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When I run
mtr 172.98.13.** -w -c 10with either--tcpor--udptowards my VM on LAXA030, I get a 100% packet loss...mtr 172.98.13.** -w -c 10mtr 172.98.13.** -w -c 10 --tcpnameserver 8.8.8.8
nameserver 8.8.4.4
Los Angeles It does have Settings, but they can't resolve domain names.
my LAX VM is online but control panel down. no sweat tho!
I bench YABS 24/7/365 unless it's a leap year.
7 x 7 x 7
Any updates on LA network situation? Even tho I did not received any notifications on my uptime monitors, some of my VPS is still not accessible to some parts of the world...
You probably saw me somewhere...
VirMach Tokyo Node RYZE.TYO-C033.VMS, IPv6 network is broken after maintenance on 2025/01/25, please fix it, thank you!
RIP LA.
This multi node network issue is getting to be a bit long in the tooth.
Wondering when there is going to be an update.
EDIT: Found update here
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Will QuadraNet repeat the mistakes of Dedipath?
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This may be a mistake of switching from /24 to /26 by @VirMach
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hostcram says QN is DOWN down. seems like Virmach has a lot to move
I bench YABS 24/7/365 unless it's a leap year.
https://lowendtalk.com/discussion/202244/quadranet-la-is-offline-since-23-jan-2024
Looks like everyone has started to move out
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Virmach has Psychz and Colocrossing new LA location to move to. no forever friends and foes?
I bench YABS 24/7/365 unless it's a leap year.
Would love to see a presence in Multacom too, they are truly Asia (and kinda China) Optimized.
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https://status.quadranet.com/
highest possibility is Virmach will wait for QN to get back online.
I bench YABS 24/7/365 unless it's a leap year.
At this point I'm putting on my conspiracy theory hat.
Looks like they decided to consolidate IP addresses. We don't use fully QN addresses for servers, we actually have it set up in a way where we can quickly switch to our own, except I have to be able to access IPMI and that's another issue at this point related to the other partial routing problems.
Anyway, the way the people are talking about it, seems like the new people who took over just decided to do it this way. I can't think of any reason it'd be done this way unless they just bought QN for the IPv4 and really really just want people to move out so they have some extra space. Seems to be the datacenter version of buying a building and wanting to kick out the tenants to make more money except you have to do it in a shady way to make sure there's still "technically" connectivity and whatever else.
Like there's no way upper upper management just thought okay cool let's make sure we keep the same staff, do a major consolidation of an entire datacenter we purchased, and while we do that, let's also do maintenance on the network, and then also renumber everyone but like in a really weird way where we send no notifications out to maximize the headache for everyone. It'd be understandable (coming from personal experience) if these weren't literally their addresses. It's not like they have some issue with the people leasing it to them. Or that they're even switching them to some other addresses they're leasing. Like they definitely just wanted to have a bunch of /24 blocks and not have it partially used by one customer as a /28 or whatever, it doesn't even seem like the people doing the work understand what's going on. No mention of it whatsoever last time when we contacted them, like it'd be a really good time for them to just go "oh by the way we don't know when or why, but your IP blocks might get revoked WHILE we also have connectivity issues that makes it difficult for you to even access IPMI so maybe I don't know do whatever you want." Or even let me access the facility and do my own work. They closed my ticket for facility access with no reply.
I'll basically paraphrase this from the last time I spoke with someone in another company that was behaving in a self-destructive way. We can technically do our best to deal with it all, but most other companies that pay you probably aren't going to put up with it at all. And once that happens, unless a bigger fish just keeps the cycle of infinite acquisitions going, it's going to end as a 12 hour notice type deal like Dedipath.
That's my way of saying I'm looking into what we need to do as a more permanent solution to the problem (Edge Centres LLC.)
Oh god are they actually founded in 2021 and they're just buying cheap facilities and ruining them and just buying more? It's that type of company? Hahaha and their tagline or whatever, name, "AI based data center solutions for edge computing." They're Edging investors with their SEO.
Their CEO's name is Jon the end is nigh.
Fuck
Haven't bought a single service in VirMach Great Ryzen 2022 - 2023 Flash Sale.
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Maybe vulture capitalism has made another appearance. I saw this going on up close in the '80s. Make a holding company, buy other companies, sell off all the parts, put off paying vendors for as long as you can, put the secondary companies into bankruptcy, profit.
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Just like what VirBot does when the customer doesn't pay $15 priority support fee.
No hostname left!
there is an elegance to buying up tier-7 DCs just to plunder their legacy IPv4 space, the dirt bag capitalism 2025 engenders
Someone at WHT brought up the prices IPv4 are going for. Suppose the new owners got a few million dollars for the IP space at a cost of their customers and reputation. I can't imagine the owners will break even on the deal considering how much they must've spent to purchase the business -- or even just to purchase the building.
maybe. or maybe they didn't "purchase" a building, but bought an interest in a lease, or their veiled corp financed the purchase of property and can default without recourse etc etc, maybe they paid an upfront price and offered the previous owners earnouts etc.
they definitely seem uninterested in running a DC well, so it is fun to speculate why they bought a DC.
They bought IPs, AS8100, and crappy little office next to One Wilshire that was called a 'data center' - Been there myself.
Networking person, Kait, who knew anything left long ago to NetActuate.
It's like CC but handled more poorly. HP are already leasing those IPs on IPXO, but Buffalo's still running as fine as it can.
That's a fair point. QN probably had an unusual structured lease-back agreement, which makes sense if they don't want to be managing property all day. Either way, the money they’d get for the IP space pales in comparison to the value of the business they just destroyed.
I mean, selling off the IPs you assigned to your customers isn't great. Doing it without warning is profoundly stupid.
They had floors of an adjacent slap dash office building. Some of which had cooling issues.
Meanwhile, is there a plan on what to do next with the non-functional VPSes in LA? Or still up in the air?
Quadranet hasn't updated its status page in three days.
VirMach apparently did better than they did, they emptied their status page about 6 hours ago.
They say “There are no Network Issues Currently”.
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