@ususk said: shoulda used something like EWR instead
EWR is Newark. Our LG for Los Angeles is LAX but it's technically not at LAX, it's about a block away. Chicago's not even in Chicago, it's in Elk Grove Village, even though it's in the Chicago metro area. You make a good point, we should probably just rename NYC Metro to NYC at this point unless we're going to change Chicago to CHI Metro. Our Atlanta location is a lie too, it's actually in Alpharetta. But there's no airport near it, what do we call the LG? And then our San Jose is probably the biggest offender, it's actually Santa Clara, which is its own well known area, but luckily they do have an airport. SNU. No wait that's technically San Jose's airport.
Because DC are usually named after nearby airports using the airport's IATA code?
Tokyo's kind of a large area too, our Tokyo location is only Tokyo because it's in the "Tokyo Metropolis." Otherwise it's in Kōtō City. I wouldn't want to just put "Koto" in the URL, do we do it as xn--kto-2ia.lg.virmach.com to be technically correct?
Ironically here's no Tokyo City. Only Tokyo metro politan. Koto city is legit Tokyo because it's one of the 23 wards aka city as in Koto city. TYO is the codename for both HND and NRT airports
That's not to NYC though. That's to Newark, New Jersey, which is closer to Staten Island. I thought your concern here was it being NYC, why are you testing to a part of New Jersey that's not even close to NYC?
That's not to NYC though. That's to Newark, New Jersey, which is closer to Staten Island. I thought your concern here was it being NYC, why are you testing to a part of New Jersey that's not even close to NYC?
Have I ever said it's to Cloudflare NYC? It's to the CDN's closet edge server for NY and NJ which is more common than NY/NJ to NL
Okay now I know you're just being facetious, you had to switch to their Virginia location to get a lower ping since if you went with NYC, we'd be lower.
To NYC Cloudfront:
Hivelocity
PING 108.139.47.34 (108.139.47.34): 56 data bytes
!!!!!!!!!!
--- 108.139.47.34 ping statistics ---
10 packets transmitted, 10 packets received, 0% packet loss
round-trip min/avg/max/stddev = 2.403/2.492/2.591/0.049 ms
RoyaleHosting:
PING 108.139.47.34 (108.139.47.34) 56(84) bytes of data.
64 bytes from 108.139.47.34: icmp_seq=1 ttl=244 time=1.89 ms
64 bytes from 108.139.47.34: icmp_seq=2 ttl=244 time=1.91 ms
64 bytes from 108.139.47.34: icmp_seq=3 ttl=244 time=1.87 ms
64 bytes from 108.139.47.34: icmp_seq=4 ttl=244 time=2.02 ms
@ususk said: Have I ever said it's to Cloudflare NYC? It's to the CDN's closet edge server for NY and NJ which is more common than NY/NJ to NL
Oh right you were definitely concerned about it being the closest.
Okay now I know you're just being facetious, you had to switch to their Virginia location to get a lower ping since if you went with NYC, we'd be lower.
It's the closet edge (I assume) I got for a cloudfront protected site. If you can find closer edge location and do a ping comparison then?
Dunno where you got those numbers on, this is a random NYC Metro instance with VM:
Fastly:
PING 151.101.130.132 (151.101.130.132) 56(84) bytes of data.
64 bytes from 151.101.130.132: icmp_seq=1 ttl=54 time=0.847 ms
64 bytes from 151.101.130.132: icmp_seq=2 ttl=54 time=0.957 ms
64 bytes from 151.101.130.132: icmp_seq=3 ttl=54 time=1.00 ms
64 bytes from 151.101.130.132: icmp_seq=4 ttl=54 time=0.884 ms
64 bytes from 151.101.130.132: icmp_seq=5 ttl=54 time=0.886 ms
64 bytes from 151.101.130.132: icmp_seq=6 ttl=54 time=1.05 ms
64 bytes from 151.101.130.132: icmp_seq=7 ttl=54 time=1.09 ms
64 bytes from 151.101.130.132: icmp_seq=8 ttl=54 time=1.27 ms
CloudFlare:
PING 1.1.1.1 (1.1.1.1) 56(84) bytes of data.
64 bytes from 1.1.1.1: icmp_seq=1 ttl=53 time=1.35 ms
64 bytes from 1.1.1.1: icmp_seq=2 ttl=53 time=1.41 ms
64 bytes from 1.1.1.1: icmp_seq=3 ttl=53 time=1.49 ms
64 bytes from 1.1.1.1: icmp_seq=4 ttl=53 time=1.42 ms
64 bytes from 1.1.1.1: icmp_seq=5 ttl=53 time=1.47 ms
64 bytes from 1.1.1.1: icmp_seq=6 ttl=53 time=1.36 ms
64 bytes from 1.1.1.1: icmp_seq=7 ttl=53 time=1.56 ms
64 bytes from 1.1.1.1: icmp_seq=8 ttl=53 time=1.41 ms
64 bytes from 1.1.1.1: icmp_seq=9 ttl=53 time=1.47 ms
64 bytes from 1.1.1.1: icmp_seq=10 ttl=53 time=1.41 ms
64 bytes from 1.1.1.1: icmp_seq=11 ttl=53 time=1.45 ms
64 bytes from 1.1.1.1: icmp_seq=12 ttl=53 time=1.73 ms
64 bytes from 1.1.1.1: icmp_seq=13 ttl=53 time=1.43 ms
Google:
64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: icmp_seq=18 ttl=114 time=1.23 ms
64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: icmp_seq=19 ttl=114 time=1.38 ms
64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: icmp_seq=20 ttl=114 time=1.32 ms
64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: icmp_seq=21 ttl=114 time=1.24 ms
64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: icmp_seq=22 ttl=114 time=1.22 ms
64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: icmp_seq=23 ttl=114 time=1.26 ms
64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: icmp_seq=24 ttl=114 time=1.25 ms
64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: icmp_seq=25 ttl=114 time=1.31 ms
64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: icmp_seq=26 ttl=114 time=1.30 ms
64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: icmp_seq=27 ttl=114 time=1.27 ms
64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: icmp_seq=28 ttl=114 time=1.27 ms
64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: icmp_seq=29 ttl=114 time=1.22 ms
64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: icmp_seq=30 ttl=114 time=1.28 ms
64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: icmp_seq=31 ttl=114 time=1.30 ms
Again if you need that .1-.2ms edge that traders need (anyone see The Hummingbird Project?) then OK, maybe find someone who can pay the troll toll for 111 8th. But really this is like to being next to One Wilshire akin to Quadranet in LA. I'll give you a bridge or so, but it doesn't get better connectivity wise.
@ususk said: It's the closet edge. If you can find closer edge location and do a ping comparison then?
Did you miss the rest of my reply? That was a ping comparison. To the closest edge location (well not closest edge to Staten Island, but then we wouldn't be comparing anything, it'd just be the closest location to each respective datacenter, one of them happens to be closer to NYC/Manhattan (Royale.)
Oh right you were definitely concerned about it being the closest.
which you have no control? anycast IP you know
I'm definitely concerned about the proper naming to begin with
It's @Kris who keeps hinting at NJ being closer to downtown NYC or a better location in general
And then our San Jose is probably the biggest offender, it's actually Santa Clara, which is its own well known area, but luckily they do have an airport. SNU. No wait that's technically San Jose's airport.
Hol' up. So you're telling me that when people talk about death by snu, they're talking about people who died in the mile high club while flying to Santa Clara? TIL
We're moving the goalpost all the way to another datacenter to win an argument?
By the way, you have no problem with them calling it JFK1 when it's in Newark? Please tag them and ask them to change the name to EWR1. They're naming it after another airport that's an hour and a half away.
We're moving the goalpost all the way to another datacenter to win an argument?
By the way, you have no problem with them calling it JFK1 when it's in Newark? Please tag them and ask them to change the name to EWR1. They're naming it after another airport that's an hour and a half away.
I can't find it on their website outside their LG. Maybe it's a location they're discontinuing after the purchase/merger that they recently went through, as they only have NYC1 and NYC3 on their map. But NYC3 is in Orangeburg, not in NYC. Hmmm wow that's weird why do they call it NYC? Oh it must be because it's in NYC Metro. I may be biased but that's fine, no idea why they'd call Newark... JFK though.
And then our San Jose is probably the biggest offender, it's actually Santa Clara, which is its own well known area, but luckily they do have an airport. SNU. No wait that's technically San Jose's airport.
Hol' up. So you're telling me that when people talk about death by snu, they're talking about people who died in the mile high club while flying to Santa Clara? TIL
And then our San Jose is probably the biggest offender, it's actually Santa Clara, which is its own well known area, but luckily they do have an airport. SNU. No wait that's technically San Jose's airport.
Hol' up. So you're telling me that when people talk about death by snu, they're talking about people who died in the mile high club while flying to Santa Clara? TIL
I just prefer to use latency figures and facts, judging as I live in the area, and have looking glasses with smoke ping at each data center to keep an eye on others. I live Anycast and BGP and did it for NetActuate (HostVirtual) back in the day augmenting routes.
Don't say CloudFront is Anycast, it does its best with GeoIP.
Not sure who he's trying to argue with, but Staten Island does not have as good latency as providers across the bridge in NJ. You can all use looking glasses for that, I've tried posting pings, you can use MTRs if needed.
I noped out of this thread a while ago on page 13 with ping stats.
EDIT: Looks like someone moved my response from another thread to this thread, pointing out I hadn't been responding there in 1 page. Thanks for ruining the context. Use a map if you need to do math guys, I pointed out latency don't lie. Learn MTRs.
@Kris said: EDIT: Looks like someone moved my response from another thread to this thread, pointing out I hadn't been responding there in 1 page. Thanks for ruining the context. Use a map if you need to do math guys, I pointed out latency don't lie. Learn MTRs.
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@FrankZ said: if anybody wants to continue, do it in this thread.
Then you commented.
Then I moved your comment to this thread.
But I'll be reasonable and move the whole line of comments here so your last comment has the proper context.
Oh wait.
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I use facts over opinions, which is why I stopped responding in the other thread on page 13, and not wasting my time in here.
Run and MTR or ping or traceroute, you don't need opinions, and they aren't welcome with me, and why I gave up on that thread.
You just need a head and to have a small understanding of network transit. I don't use opinions, I use MTR's from both ends, otherwise end-client (or forum user) can gtfo.
I use facts over opinions, which is why I stopped responding in the other thread on page 13, and not wasting my time in here.
Run and MTR or ping or traceroute, you don't need opinions, and they aren't welcome with me, and why I gave up on that thread.
You just need a head and to have a small understanding of network transit. I don't use opinions, I use MTR's from both ends, otherwise end-client (or forum user) can gtfo.
Really you want to go there ?
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You came back 1 page late into a thread and instead of asking VirMach to stop explaining locations and latency, you did to me.
I'm a network operator. I used to ask for MTR's both ways, otherwise it didn't happen. I am not used to operating on opinions, which is why again - I noped out of the thread.
If you think Buffalo is more NYC than something within sight of NYC, I cannot do anything.
I wished you hadn't moved my response saying I was done talking in page 13 because pings and latencies speak for themselves. Not sure what you're trying to go off on after already moving a post.
@Kris I'm tired. I don't know why you think I am arguing with you that Buffalo is closer to NYC than Secaucas, NJ, it obviously is not.
I get you are reacting to me moving your comment, but overreacting is not going to help. My stop sign was directed at everybody not just you, you just happened to be the one who continued. I consider myself pretty reasonable, but there are rules for offer threads, and at some point I need to do my job.
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@AlwaysSkint said:
How did I start this shit-storm? #Ionlysaidthreeletters
Actually it was me who started it by posting this.
The key words were "NYC Metro".
Looked innocent enough at the time, but that is how it goes sometimes.
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Because DC are usually named after nearby airports using the airport's IATA code?
Ironically here's no Tokyo City. Only Tokyo metro politan. Koto city is legit Tokyo because it's one of the 23 wards aka city as in Koto city. TYO is the codename for both HND and NRT airports
To be objective and show how traffic that flows to another city will likely have to pass through 60 Hudson.
That's not to NYC though. That's to Newark, New Jersey, which is closer to Staten Island. I thought your concern here was it being NYC, why are you testing to a part of New Jersey that's not even close to NYC?
Staten Island is/was a garbage dump site.
Have I ever said it's to Cloudflare NYC? It's to the CDN's closet edge server for NY and NJ which is more common than NY/NJ to NL
BTW Cloudflare doesn't name their DC NYC metro or something. They properly called it Newark, US
https://www.cloudflare.com/network/
Okay now I know you're just being facetious, you had to switch to their Virginia location to get a lower ping since if you went with NYC, we'd be lower.
To NYC Cloudfront:
Hivelocity
RoyaleHosting:
Oh right you were definitely concerned about it being the closest.
It's the closet edge (I assume) I got for a cloudfront protected site. If you can find closer edge location and do a ping comparison then?
Dunno where you got those numbers on, this is a random NYC Metro instance with VM:
Fastly:
CloudFlare:
Google:
Again if you need that .1-.2ms edge that traders need (anyone see The Hummingbird Project?) then OK, maybe find someone who can pay the troll toll for 111 8th. But really this is like to being next to One Wilshire akin to Quadranet in LA. I'll give you a bridge or so, but it doesn't get better connectivity wise.
Did you miss the rest of my reply? That was a ping comparison. To the closest edge location (well not closest edge to Staten Island, but then we wouldn't be comparing anything, it'd just be the closest location to each respective datacenter, one of them happens to be closer to NYC/Manhattan (Royale.)
which you have no control? anycast IP you know
I'm definitely concerned about the proper naming to begin with
It's @Kris who keeps hinting at NJ being closer to downtown NYC or a better location in general
And then our San Jose is probably the biggest offender, it's actually Santa Clara, which is its own well known area, but luckily they do have an airport. SNU. No wait that's technically San Jose's airport.
Hol' up. So you're telling me that when people talk about death by snu, they're talking about people who died in the mile high club while flying to Santa Clara?
TIL
We're moving the goalpost all the way to another datacenter to win an argument?
By the way, you have no problem with them calling it JFK1 when it's in Newark? Please tag them and ask them to change the name to EWR1. They're naming it after another airport that's an hour and a half away.
JFK-1 here
https://www.hivelocity.net/about/network/
https://www.hivelocity.net/products/colocation/new-york-city-1/
https://www.hivelocity.net/products/colocation/new-york-city-1/
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Maybe you're right on this I just found this
https://platform.inflect.com/building/165-halsey-street-newark/hivelocity/datacenter/jfk1
Well then it's Hivelocity not being honest for calling them JFK but are they here. @Hivelocity
You linked two different datacenters. New York City 1 is their Staten Island. JFK1 is their Newark. Here.
https://www.datacenters.com/hivelocity-jfk1-newark-nj
I can't find it on their website outside their LG. Maybe it's a location they're discontinuing after the purchase/merger that they recently went through, as they only have NYC1 and NYC3 on their map. But NYC3 is in Orangeburg, not in NYC. Hmmm wow that's weird why do they call it NYC? Oh it must be because it's in NYC Metro. I may be biased but that's fine, no idea why they'd call Newark... JFK though.
They're not here? https://evocative.com/data-centers/san-jose-ca-data-center-sjc7/
We're in SJC3 Evocative. That name is given by Evocative, it's in Santa Clara. Add another provider to your naughty list.
I just prefer to use latency figures and facts, judging as I live in the area, and have looking glasses with smoke ping at each data center to keep an eye on others. I live Anycast and BGP and did it for NetActuate (HostVirtual) back in the day augmenting routes.
Don't say CloudFront is Anycast, it does its best with GeoIP.
Not sure who he's trying to argue with, but Staten Island does not have as good latency as providers across the bridge in NJ. You can all use looking glasses for that, I've tried posting pings, you can use MTRs if needed.
I noped out of this thread a while ago on page 13 with ping stats.
EDIT: Looks like someone moved my response from another thread to this thread, pointing out I hadn't been responding there in 1 page. Thanks for ruining the context. Use a map if you need to do math guys, I pointed out latency don't lie. Learn MTRs.
Without any context it's funnier.
Like woah calm down I was just trying to provide an update on PHXZ004.
Yeah I just came back to say I left a page earlier as pings looked fine, now it looks like a copypasta.
See my comment here
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More like
Then you commented.
Then I moved your comment to this thread.
But I'll be reasonable and move the whole line of comments here so your last comment has the proper context.
Oh wait.
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You mentioned opinions.
I use facts over opinions, which is why I stopped responding in the other thread on page 13, and not wasting my time in here.
Run and MTR or ping or traceroute, you don't need opinions, and they aren't welcome with me, and why I gave up on that thread.
You just need a head and to have a small understanding of network transit. I don't use opinions, I use MTR's from both ends, otherwise end-client (or forum user) can gtfo.
Really you want to go there ?
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Not sure who you're trying to fight.
You came back 1 page late into a thread and instead of asking VirMach to stop explaining locations and latency, you did to me.
I'm a network operator. I used to ask for MTR's both ways, otherwise it didn't happen. I am not used to operating on opinions, which is why again - I noped out of the thread.
If you think Buffalo is more NYC than something within sight of NYC, I cannot do anything.
I wished you hadn't moved my response saying I was done talking in page 13 because pings and latencies speak for themselves. Not sure what you're trying to go off on after already moving a post.
@Kris I'm tired. I don't know why you think I am arguing with you that Buffalo is closer to NYC than Secaucas, NJ, it obviously is not.
I get you are reacting to me moving your comment, but overreacting is not going to help. My stop sign was directed at everybody not just you, you just happened to be the one who continued. I consider myself pretty reasonable, but there are rules for offer threads, and at some point I need to do my job.
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How did I start this shit-storm?
#IonlysaidthreelettersIt wisnae me! A big boy done it and ran away.
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what happened
I bench YABS 24/7/365 unless it's a leap year.
Actually it was me who started it by posting this.
The key words were "NYC Metro".
Looked innocent enough at the time, but that is how it goes sometimes.
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True, dat.
)
( _Was about to flag your post _
Ahem,
It wisnae me! A big boy done it and ran away.
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