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InceptionHosting · November 2019

Yeah, but you know, when a drill is the right tool for the job and a home tool brand out performs the pro tool in literally every single way by significant margins, the professionals start buying that instead even if it costs more per month to own.

Amitz · November 2019

Welcome @Clouvider!

uptime · November 2019

Hello hello hello hello! welcome @funkywizard and @ioflood_michael_b

funkywizard · November 2019

@uptime said:
Hello hello hello hello! welcome @funkywizard and @ioflood_michael_b

Thanks! Glad to be here.

funkywizard · November 2019

@uptime said:
so, while we're all here singing in the rain ...

some real talk here:

I am sure that any ideas for making this forum a happy, healthier place for good providers will be music to @AnthonySmith's ears

Please feel free to use this thread and/or the dedicated https://talk.lowendspirit.com/discussion/80/friendly-feature-requests-ideas thread to share whatever comes to mind along those lines.

Along those lines, I think it would be reasonable to have a section where you can have offers of any price. I do think it makes sense to have "normal offers" and "lowend offers" be separated so it's easy to know which is which without having to actually read the offer. But I also think there is a lot of potential for "great deals" that cost more than the price cap.

Kind of, get the best of both LET and WHT. Get a broad range of offers like WHT has, but still have a strong incentive to post your lowest price stuff at below the cap so that it can get extra exposure from deal seekers.

Since this is a forum starting from scratch, if there is a time to consider such a change I think it would be now.

funkywizard · November 2019

@poisson said:

@uptime said:
@poisson

while I might find a few minor quibbles with some of the points you make above (as one does) ...

I would definitely agree that following these guidelines will make for a happier experience for all parties involved.

I wonder if there might be a good way to present solid translations in various languages - it might be a helpful starting point to welcome many of our bros who find this forum via baidu (etc.)

EDIT: also might be interesting if I can find a better use for https://summerhosting.com ... suggestions welcome!

I don't sweat the small quibbles. I do applied statistics in research, and as long as p < 0.05 that's good enough. I just think that as long as we can cover most key points on how to be an informed consumer, most problems can be avoided and providers can better spend the time creating better value for everyone else.

Off topic, but, p < 0.05 isn't great if you're measuring 20 possible effects, and consider it a "win" if at least one of them shows positive ; )

poisson · November 2019

@funkywizard said:

@poisson said:

@uptime said:
@poisson

while I might find a few minor quibbles with some of the points you make above (as one does) ...

I would definitely agree that following these guidelines will make for a happier experience for all parties involved.

I wonder if there might be a good way to present solid translations in various languages - it might be a helpful starting point to welcome many of our bros who find this forum via baidu (etc.)

EDIT: also might be interesting if I can find a better use for https://summerhosting.com ... suggestions welcome!

I don't sweat the small quibbles. I do applied statistics in research, and as long as p < 0.05 that's good enough. I just think that as long as we can cover most key points on how to be an informed consumer, most problems can be avoided and providers can better spend the time creating better value for everyone else.

Off topic, but, p < 0.05 isn't great if you're measuring 20 possible effects, and consider it a "win" if at least one of them shows positive ; )

Measuring 20 different outcomes is a nightmare!!! Anyway, there will always be exceptions, so reducing the probability works most of the time, but it won't work all the time. Pretty much life's like that.

InceptionHosting · November 2019

funkywizard said: I do think it makes sense to have "normal offers" and "lowend offers" be separated so it's easy to know which is which without having to actually read the offer.

That is already available, the only caveat is that it must be exclusive to LES, given the origins of the community I felt that was a fair compromise.

AnthonySmith said: Exclusive LES Offers

No specific price rules except they MUST be LES exclusive for at LEAST 7 days
Only registered providers may post
At least 7 days between offers
LES Exclusive offers do not count towards the general offers section post count i.e. you can make >LES exclusives as well as regular offers within the same 7 day period
LES Exclusive offers are given extra exposure on the front page of the forum and can only bee seen >by logged in users.
These offers will be moved to the standard offers section after 10 days.

Worth having a read of the rules and info post.

funkywizard · November 2019

@AnthonySmith said:

funkywizard said: I do think it makes sense to have "normal offers" and "lowend offers" be separated so it's easy to know which is which without having to actually read the offer.

That is already available, the only caveat is that it must be exclusive to LES, given the origins of the community I felt that was a fair compromise.

AnthonySmith said: Exclusive LES Offers

No specific price rules except they MUST be LES exclusive for at LEAST 7 days
Only registered providers may post
At least 7 days between offers
LES Exclusive offers do not count towards the general offers section post count i.e. you can make >LES exclusives as well as regular offers within the same 7 day period
LES Exclusive offers are given extra exposure on the front page of the forum and can only bee seen >by logged in users.
These offers will be moved to the standard offers section after 10 days.

Worth having a read of the rules and info post.

Oh right, good point!

I had read that but it wasn't entirely clear to me the first time I read it.

I guess I couldn't decide if that first line meant "there are no additional price rules for this category" vs "there are no price rules for this category"

funkywizard · November 2019

@poisson said:

@funkywizard said:

@poisson said:

@uptime said:
@poisson

while I might find a few minor quibbles with some of the points you make above (as one does) ...

I would definitely agree that following these guidelines will make for a happier experience for all parties involved.

I wonder if there might be a good way to present solid translations in various languages - it might be a helpful starting point to welcome many of our bros who find this forum via baidu (etc.)

EDIT: also might be interesting if I can find a better use for https://summerhosting.com ... suggestions welcome!

I don't sweat the small quibbles. I do applied statistics in research, and as long as p < 0.05 that's good enough. I just think that as long as we can cover most key points on how to be an informed consumer, most problems can be avoided and providers can better spend the time creating better value for everyone else.

Off topic, but, p < 0.05 isn't great if you're measuring 20 possible effects, and consider it a "win" if at least one of them shows positive ; )

Measuring 20 different outcomes is a nightmare!!! Anyway, there will always be exceptions, so reducing the probability works most of the time, but it won't work all the time. Pretty much life's like that.

In the context of academic research, the idea of looking for any of 20 possible positive outcomes, with any having a p < 0.05, means you'll on average find one interesting result simply by chance, while the p < 0.05 lets you pretend that it's a statistically significant outcome, so long as you don't publish info about the other 19 things that showed nothing.

Pretty far off topic tho : P

poisson · November 2019

@funkywizard said:
Pretty far off topic tho : P

Quite easily automated these days especially if you have statistical software that can run in parallel computation using all the cores in your PC. Throw the numbers in, go to sleep, wake up to the statistically significant results and reason backward. Rinse and repeat.

Ok, let's not bore people.