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deepak_leb · August 2020

Hey peeps,

Hope all are in good shape.

Well, am from India. Looking forward host a community site.
The main visitors are from India.

So, just wondering off what would be the ideal location of server for serving Indian(90%) & Asian Users(10%).

DO or Linode Indian DC or just any other location that fits my needs ?

Specs in need,
KVM
1 or 2core,
1GB Ram,
15GiGs SSD,
1TB,
1ipv4 + 1ipv6
Yearly price - max of 45$ ( which ever is lesser)
Scable option would be great if available.
Strictly for Production use.

Note : yes, I do have a budget Constraint? so lower price would be better

What should I do ?
Need a good peering with Indian providers will be necessary.

Any suggestions would be appreciated.??

AK_KWH · August 2020

@deepak_leb
Hi we can do in 45$ for a year if you are willing and also we will provider server Management panel Alternative to serveravatar you can deploy multiple domains within single VPS

Server Locations (Phoniex,France,Germany)
2 vCore,
2GB Ram
30 GiGs SSD, (NVME in Germany)
2TB in Phoniex (unlimited in germany )
1ipv4 + 1ipv6

seriesn · August 2020

What's up brother, would singapore work?

deepak_leb · August 2020

@AK_KWH said:
@deepak_leb
Hi we can do in 45$ for a year if you are willing along we will provider server Management panel Alternative to serveravatar you can deploy multiple domains within single VPS

Server Locations (Phoniex,France,Germany)
2 vCore,
2GB Ram
30 GiGs SSD, (NVME in Germany)
2TB in Phoniex (unlimited in germany )
1ipv4 + 1ipv6

Boss, I appreciate your deal. But the fact is, am looking for a better peering with Indian providers so am stepping me out. ?

Please clarify me ?.

deepak_leb · August 2020

@seriesn said:
What's up brother, would singapore work?

I believe I can take that into consideration.

SG also very near to India.

But someone clarify me, is do really location of DC matters ?

Within India or Near to India ?

?

AC_Fan · August 2020

MaxKVM SKVM-1G: 29 USD yearly
NexusBytes APAC-VPS-1G: 38.4 USD yearly

Abdullah · August 2020

As u say 90% is Indian traffic, the base plan from @ReadyDedis in Mumbai DC will work nice, fits your budget.
Singapore is a good option too, bt way less local peering.

deepak_leb · August 2020

@Abdullah said:
As u say 90% is Indian traffic, the base plan from @ReadyDedis in Mumbai DC will work nice, fits your budget.
Singapore is a good option too, bt way less local peering.

Do the Users will see any performance drops while using Europe locations ?

I mean in terms of speed ? Or in response time ? ??

AK_KWH · August 2020

@deepak_leb said:

@AK_KWH said:
@deepak_leb
Hi we can do in 45$ for a year if you are willing along we will provider server Management panel Alternative to serveravatar you can deploy multiple domains within single VPS

Server Locations (Phoniex,France,Germany)
2 vCore,
2GB Ram
30 GiGs SSD, (NVME in Germany)
2TB in Phoenix (unlimited in germany )
1ipv4 + 1ipv6

Boss, I appreciate your deal. But the fact is, am looking for a better peering with Indian providers so am stepping me out. ?

Please clarify me ?.

we are your neighbors b/w
@ReadyDedis is ur country fellow then i think he had indian location too

nullnothere · August 2020

@deepak_leb said: see any performance drops while using Europe locations

For a typical forum site (like LES for e.g.) this shouldn't matter at all. It will ideally be content driven, where the human content processing time should be far greater than internet content delivery time (otherwise you have bigger issues to worry about!).

Putting it behind Cloudflare will give you some latency/caching improvements.

So I would say focus more on the quality of hosting (and pricing constraints) and don't worry too much about the actual location of the server.

deepak_leb · August 2020

@AK_KWH said:

@deepak_leb said:

@AK_KWH said:
@deepak_leb
Hi we can do in 45$ for a year if you are willing along we will provider server Management panel Alternative to serveravatar you can deploy multiple domains within single VPS

Server Locations (Phoniex,France,Germany)
2 vCore,
2GB Ram
30 GiGs SSD, (NVME in Germany)
2TB in Phoenix (unlimited in germany )
1ipv4 + 1ipv6

Boss, I appreciate your deal. But the fact is, am looking for a better peering with Indian providers so am stepping me out. ?

Please clarify me ?.

we are your neighbors b/w
@ReadyDedis is ur country fellow then i think he had indian location too

I respect you all people ?.

It's just that am cancelling all my idle servers due to strict budget.

Hard hitten by pandemic.

So am looking for a perfect & under budget one.

deepak_leb · August 2020

@nullnothere said:

@deepak_leb said: see any performance drops while using Europe locations

For a typical forum site (like LES for e.g.) this shouldn't matter at all. It will ideally be content driven, where the human content processing time should be far greater than internet content delivery time (otherwise you have bigger issues to worry about!).

Putting it behind Cloudflare will give you some latency/caching improvements.

So I would say focus more on the quality of hosting (and pricing constraints) and don't worry too much about the actual location of the server.

Noted boss. ?

Abdullah · August 2020

@nullnothere said:

@deepak_leb said: see any performance drops while using Europe locations

For a typical forum site (like LES for e.g.) this shouldn't matter at all. It will ideally be content driven, where the human content processing time should be far greater than internet content delivery time (otherwise you have bigger issues to worry about!).

Putting it behind Cloudflare will give you some latency/caching improvements.

So I would say focus more on the quality of hosting (and pricing constraints) and don't worry too much about the actual location of the server.

? He is actually correct, as long it is just a forum/something similar, somewhere in Europe should be good to use & fit your budget.
Local peering is needed if you are hosting some video/image based product.
I say you should go with the best specs & quality you get.
Ping < 200 should be okay for India

deepak_leb · August 2020

@Abdullah said:

@nullnothere said:

@deepak_leb said: see any performance drops while using Europe locations

For a typical forum site (like LES for e.g.) this shouldn't matter at all. It will ideally be content driven, where the human content processing time should be far greater than internet content delivery time (otherwise you have bigger issues to worry about!).

Putting it behind Cloudflare will give you some latency/caching improvements.

So I would say focus more on the quality of hosting (and pricing constraints) and don't worry too much about the actual location of the server.

? He is actually correct, as long it is just a forum/something similar, somewhere in Europe should be good to use & fit your budget.
Local peering is needed if you are hosting some video/image based product.
I say you should go with the best specs & quality you get.
Ping < 200 should be okay for India

Thank you for clearing up.

nullnothere · August 2020

@Abdullah said: I say you should go with the best specs & quality you get.

And just to add, EU is going to be much cheaper in the sense that you are likely to get much better resources/bandwidth/quality for a given price. SG is expensive due to bandwidth costs (and India is even worse on that scale). So I strongly recommend trying to find a good provider/service in the EU to get started. You can always rethink things once you're up and running and get better data points on the usage and resource requirements.

deepak_leb · August 2020

@nullnothere said:

@Abdullah said: I say you should go with the best specs & quality you get.

And just to add, EU is going to be much cheaper in the sense that you are likely to get much better resources/bandwidth/quality for a given price. SG is expensive due to bandwidth costs (and India is even worse on that scale). So I strongly recommend trying to find a good provider/service in the EU to get started. You can always rethink things once you're up and running and get better data points on the usage and resource requirements.

Ryzen hunt season starts up then?

seriesn · August 2020

@deepak_leb said:

@nullnothere said:

@Abdullah said: I say you should go with the best specs & quality you get.

And just to add, EU is going to be much cheaper in the sense that you are likely to get much better resources/bandwidth/quality for a given price. SG is expensive due to bandwidth costs (and India is even worse on that scale). So I strongly recommend trying to find a good provider/service in the EU to get started. You can always rethink things once you're up and running and get better data points on the usage and resource requirements.

Ryzen hunt season starts up then?

Germany is pretty decent to india. To be quiet honest, a second or 3 wouldn't really matter much. Now Ryzen you said? Hmm. Hmmm.

Hey you

deepak_leb · August 2020

@seriesn said:

@deepak_leb said:

@nullnothere said:

@Abdullah said: I say you should go with the best specs & quality you get.

And just to add, EU is going to be much cheaper in the sense that you are likely to get much better resources/bandwidth/quality for a given price. SG is expensive due to bandwidth costs (and India is even worse on that scale). So I strongly recommend trying to find a good provider/service in the EU to get started. You can always rethink things once you're up and running and get better data points on the usage and resource requirements.

Ryzen hunt season starts up then?

Germany is pretty decent to india. To be quiet honest, a second or 3 wouldn't really matter much. Now Ryzen you said? Hmm. Hmmm.

Hey you

You're such a sweetpie

someshzade · August 2020

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havoc · August 2020

I'd venture that you overestimate the importance of local peering, especially in the early stages of a forum life. A good atmosphere is way more important. I mean look at this forum...don't even know where the hell it's hosted or what the latency is.

Grab a bunch of lookingglass IPs, find something solid and roll with that.

I'd also have a good look at sticking a CDN in front of it...that can mitigate some of the perceived latency effects.

And do make arrangements for backup. As much as I love the local crew they are not quite in DO league

vyas · August 2020

Do you really want to start with a VPS? Tad overkill till the site gathers some traffic?

What is the community site About?
Blog/forum/membership portal yada yada
What CMS do you plan to use?

@nullnothere said:
It will ideally be content driven, where the human content processing time should be far greater than internet content delivery time (otherwise you have bigger issues to worry about!).

very true!

deepak_leb · August 2020

@vyas said:
Do you really want to start with a VPS? Tad overkill till the site gathers some traffic?

What is the community site About?
Blog/forum/membership portal yada yada
What CMS do you plan to use?

@nullnothere said:
It will ideally be content driven, where the human content processing time should be far greater than internet content delivery time (otherwise you have bigger issues to worry about!).

very true!

Ghost CMS

deepak_leb · August 2020

@havoc said:
I'd venture that you overestimate the importance of local peering, especially in the early stages of a forum life. A good atmosphere is way more important. I mean look at this forum...don't even know where the hell it's hosted or what the latency is.

Grab a bunch of lookingglass IPs, find something solid and roll with that.

I'd also have a good look at sticking a CDN in front of it...that can mitigate some of the perceived latency effects.

And do make arrangements for backup. As much as I love the local crew they are not quite in DO league

Got it, sire

vyas · August 2020

@deepak_leb said:

@vyas said:
Do you really want to start with a VPS? Tad overkill till the site gathers some traffic?

What is the community site About?
Blog/forum/membership portal yada yada
What CMS do you plan to use?

@nullnothere said:
It will ideally be content driven, where the human content processing time should be far greater than internet content delivery time (otherwise you have bigger issues to worry about!).

very true!

Ghost CMS

Start with a one year/ free Google Cloud + Ghost Image. Let it build up, then move to something more long term

deepak_leb · August 2020

@vyas said:

@deepak_leb said:

@vyas said:
Do you really want to start with a VPS? Tad overkill till the site gathers some traffic?

What is the community site About?
Blog/forum/membership portal yada yada
What CMS do you plan to use?

@nullnothere said:
It will ideally be content driven, where the human content processing time should be far greater than internet content delivery time (otherwise you have bigger issues to worry about!).

very true!

Ghost CMS

Start with a one year/ free Google Cloud + Ghost Image. Let it build up, then move to something more long term

That's a good one.

Rahul · August 2020

Take into account that sometimes Routing

@deepak_leb said: Within India

Can include a road trip along the country, that will make look SG sweeter.

For example,

I have experienced packets going to Chennai ( Which is in another nearby state) when the destination is a DC ( Aride Ocean ) 8 Kilometre's away from me.

@deepak_leb said: SG also very near to India.

Yes, but in the case of SG too, There were instances of North America being a sort of pit stop.

It's stable most of the time when it's

@Abdullah said: somewhere in Europe

@Abdullah said: Ping < 200 should be okay for India

India to most of Europe about 160 ms but mostly less than 200 most of the time as you mentioned.

@deepak_leb Are you okay with Directadmin based shared hosting ?

Not_Oles · August 2020

@Rahul said: It's stable most of the time when it's

@Abdullah said: somewhere in Europe

So this means that if my friend @tom got an Epyc at Hetzner, then he might be successful selling VPSes to folks in India?

vyas · August 2020

@Rahul said:

@deepak_leb Are you okay with Directadmin based shared hosting ?

he is planning ot use Ghost CMS.

ReadyDedis · August 2020

@deepak_leb said:

Well, bandwidth is a tough spot, but the rest of the stuff can be accommodated. Let me know if you're interested.

I cannot guarantee ipv6 yet if you don't mind. This will be rolled out at a later date.

Rahul · August 2020

@Not_Oles said:

@Rahul said: It's stable most of the time when it's

@Abdullah said: somewhere in Europe

So this means that if my friend @tom got an Epyc at Hetzner, then he might be successful selling VPSes to folks in India?

It's true that Hetzner provides more bang for your buck via their auction. But

@Not_Oles said: folks in India

Have a sweet tooth for OVH since they offer DDoS mitigation as standard with no additional cost.

So, if you happen to be on the receiving end of such incidents frequently, Hetzner might pull the plug on you.

Another reason to take into account is market saturation,

We now have many providers even within India that make use of OVH like @HappyBee for example that offer VPS with dedicated ipv4 for less than $2 a month.

@vyas said: he is planning ot use Ghost CMS.

Is it not possible in the case of shared hosting with ssh access ?

vyas · August 2020

@Rahul
possible indeed, but easier with VPS. Not all shared hosting providers might provide SSH access.

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