Proxmox Virtual Environment 8.4 available
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"VIENNA, Austria – April 09, 2025 – Enterprise software developer Proxmox Server Solutions GmbH (henceforth "Proxmox") today released version 8.4 of its server virtualization management platform, Proxmox Virtual Environment. This version comes with a range of improvements and new features."
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https://www.proxmox.com/en/about/company-details/press-releases/proxmox-virtual-environment-8-4
I am personally looking forward to this upgrade ( will wait a few weeks before we will test it, I just wish to say pass on the first round of bugs and rats)
Any of you already did an upgrade / install for 8.4 even if under a test environment?
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Thanks for pointing this out - upgraded within GUI just completed. Not that I utilise anything other than basics.
It wisnae me! A big boy done it and ran away.
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I will wait a couple of days and then upgrade my OVH node to this one...
Sigh... need to update all 3 nodes (first world problems)
Thanks for letting us know, and reminding me that I haven't run updates in a while!
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Updated few days ago.
No bug found so far.
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I always upgrade immediately. I’ve never had an issue. So much I’m thinking of just doing a daily task to run updates.
I don't know when but I was already upgraded to 8.4 in both my servers lol
ps. just upgraded to 8.4.1
No issues so far
Been a minute since I've used PVE, but, never had any issues with it - was always a pleasure to use.
I've often wanted to check out Proxmox Mail Gateway, but it hasn't happened yet. That might be a matter for another thread, however
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I wanted to wait a couple more days, but when I saw first two comments mentioning the update, I've done it last night, no issues afterwards.
wonder when will proxmox ve 9 be released. having debian trixie would be handy
Upgrading was a breeze across a whole cluster of servers.
I'm usually the guy who waits at least a few weeks before doing upgrades like this but we had a relatively new cluster sitting around so it made sense.
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The "pve7to8 --full" seems unhappy about my install...will probably leave it to 9 and do a fresh install lol.
You need to update your proxmox to the latest 7.x version first. Then you should be able to upgrade to 8.x, but since I usually upgrade mine when the new 8.0 came out, you probably would be better with a fresh install to 9.0
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without Proxmox VE No-Subscription Repository it will not work
deb http://download.proxmox.com/debian/pve bookworm pve-no-subscription
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Running the new release on a small N150 mini pc for some monitoring probe containers. First time using Proxmox in many years.
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Don't think it's the repo that's the issue. Just a warning but idk boot/grub/efi stuff is still a mystery to me & don't want to take down the server atm so will just pause it till I have a free weekend
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Got one of these as firewall last weak. Solid so far! Even got a +100ish mbit internet speed improvement out of it
Currently trying to learn hyprland+tmux+neovim...each has some concept of windows/tabs and just feels like navigation inception. Windows key+arrow to navigate hyprland, ctrl+B+numbers to navigate within tmux sessions and within that tmux terminal in the neovim its Ctrl+w l to switch windows. Except if the window in neovim is a terminal...that happens to be in insert mode....then it's ctrl+\ ctrl+n ctrl+w l...because of course it is.
Offtopic, which one did you guys get? Planning to get one myself but not sure on which to get. Was looking for a fanless model (like my old J1900 mini PC) and N100/150 are the top ones shown. Now not sure if i should go with fanless for a 24/7 running device in 2025...
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N100/150 should be fine running fanless 24/7 with <10w TDP. will perform much better than old J1900 too (now it has VMX).
I've got a handful of them now. You get quad nvme ones that have a fan but can be run fanless...I jury rigged an old CPU heatsink onto it and that proved sufficient. Runs pretty cool...but also very low CPU utilisation...would probably not be fine under sustained heavy load.
The firewall appliance ones are a bit better suited for fanless - those can run fanless as long as it's not the N305 and not under full load. They should all be fine as long as it has 226 NICs not 225. Do note the RAM is a little dicey. Intel specs say 16gb. I've got one at 32gb. And reddit reports 48gb works too...but others have reported severe stability issues with 32gb. That part is a bit of a dicey roll. I used CMSX32GX5M1A4800C40.
There are some SFP+ ones but those generally aren't fanless. And N200 exist but don't know much about them.
I wouldn't put them on a flammable surface and I wouldn't pin them at 100% for extended time but in principle 24/7 fanless is fine.
I have had to replace the power brick on one of mine after about 2 years...started making questionable buzzing noises and decided I'm not down with that.
There is also the zimaboard 2 that launched today - N150 based thing
N150 single thread GB6 is 1200~. A Ryzen 3600 is 1650~. N150 is pretty damn good considering it idles at 7W and uses like 15W max. I have two right now running via USB-C power, one Proxmox with containers for ICMP MTR monitoring and another for XRDP/SSH to use as a Linux compiling/test system. Both pull 17W combined.
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TIL - didn't realise they come in usb-c. Or is that after market? Been wondering how much current those $1 aliexpress usb-c power deliver triggers can handle...these things
Dang, I have to try XRDP.
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That's the plan. In terms of CPU benchmark, my J1900 is about 1k while the n100 are 5k so approximately 5 times the performance for same TDP.
I was planning to get this: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005006781984429.html
A quick compare between the CPU models on offer (last one is current "old fanless device"):
https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare/5157vs6304vs5213vs6430vs2131/Intel-N100-vs-Intel-N150-vs-Intel-i3-N305-vs-Intel-3-N355-vs-Intel-Celeron-J1900
Fanless, metal case, can install a nvme SSD as well as a Sata SSD. Will probably go with a barebones model and get my own RAM & SSD (thanks for the RAM model suggestion). And yes, this is 226 NIC model.
As for the power brick, I had to replace the one I use on J1900 twice as well. Probably cause of the cheap 12V adapters i bought from aliexpress
All the surfaces I have are flamable... Wooden table, wooden shelf, wooden rack... FML... Luckily my use case is just simple (pfsense?) router + firewall. So CPU usage wont be too high. Need to get a good 2.5G router for when I renew my home internet in October so was planning to use this with my existing 2x1 GHz APs and 2x1GHz 8 port network switches.
This is the future of PoE. Although I dont have enough enough high power USB PD adapters and still use 12V power bricks...
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Yep - that's the general design people go for. It's a pretty safe bet...just run it through a mem test when you get it and check temps. Sometimes these firewall things aren't thermal pasted right at factory & I've heard of people getting much better temps after a repaste.
You can buy pretty cheap silicone/fiberglass mats intended for ovens & throw it in between. The flash point for wood is pretty high so should be fine without in theory...but I don't like heat producing electronics straight on wood personally.
12V isn't in spec for much of the bigger ones. Think only V1 of PD spec had 12V so it's a bit of a crap shoot. On Anker some of the small white cheaper ones have 12V and the fancy GAN ones don't. Mildly annoying cause the cheapest fans tend to be 12V though you can generally power them with 9V for low rpm.
It'll probably need to be opnsense...i recall some version of pfsense not having drivers for those NICs. Maybe that has been fixed now