@dwight said: This is great! I remembered there were fiber channel drives but they are rare now, mainly because SATA and NVME can provide much higher speeds.
We still have a 14 bay, I think, FC shelf from Netapp with 450GB drives at 15K, box has 2 controllers, 2 GBPS FC each. We were amazed at the speed of a raid 10 out of that, it actually saturated the 2 GBPS FC line, ooo, the golden days.....
If it helps anyone - I got a 12 TB Seagate IronWolf Pro (my German - Amazon.de affiliate link) for about $270.
The picture says "Pro", the description doesn't, but I got the Pro allright. Passed all the stress tests, and has been working fine for a few months now. Looks good enough for me to have just ordered a second one.
Amazon reviews say it's refurbished (and hence the low price), but it doesn't state that anywhere on the package - and it looks, sounds, and works OK (at least the one I got, we'll see about the second one).
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The picture says "Pro", the description doesn't, but I got the Pro allright. Passed all the stress tests, and has been working fine for a few months now. Looks good enough for me to have just ordered a second one.
Amazon reviews say it's refurbished (and hence the low price), but it doesn't state that anywhere on the package - and it looks, sounds, and works OK (at least the one I got, we'll see about the second one).
Refurbished can also mean it's a customer return. Someone who ordered and decided to returned it cause they didn't like it or didn't need it or other reason. The vendor will test it and sell it as refurbished.
Sometimes it's also the shucked drives from external hdd enclosures on sale or even extra stock they want to get rid of before the warranty is close to expiry.
Not much difference from the real deal so as long as it works for you, good enough.
Well, out of two Seagate IronWolf Pro drives I bought a, the first one is still working OK, and the newer one failed after less than a year! Since I am in Serbia, and I bought it in Germany, I can also forget about any warranty, just to add insult to the injury.
I've been using and working with computers for almost fourty years. This is the first time I've had a hard disk fail. However, in late 2008, I've had a HDD start making clicking noises and replaced it right after purhcase, under warranty.
Both of those problems were with Seagate hard disks!
I know it's not a statisticaly valid sample, but I don't think I'll be buying from Seagate any more.
@bikegremlin said:
Well, out of two Seagate IronWolf Pro drives I bought a, the first one is still working OK, and the newer one failed after less than a year! Since I am in Serbia, and I bought it in Germany, I can also forget about any warranty, just to add insult to the injury.
I've been using and working with computers for almost fourty years. This is the first time I've had a hard disk fail. However, in late 2008, I've had a HDD start making clicking noises and replaced it right after purhcase, under warranty.
Both of those problems were with Seagate hard disks!
I know it's not a statisticaly valid sample, but I don't think I'll be buying from Seagate any more.
Weren't those the drives part of a larger scam where old drives were sold as "new"?
Read about smth a couple weeks ago.
Was smth about manipulated FARM stats etc. Some mydealz user commented that the Power on Hours suddenly were way more when using
smartctl --log=farm /dev/[DRIVE] | grep "Power of Hours"
More than 250 readers have now emailed us about their hard disks that were purchased as new but have already been used. Capacities of 4 to 16 TByte are affected, mostly drives from the Exos server series, and now more and more from the Ironwolf and Ironwolf Pro NAS series. The fraud can be detected by software (such as smartmontools or Hard Disk Sentinel) and by querying the FARM values, and there are also some obvious signs on the housing and especially on the sticker.
@bikegremlin said:
Well, out of two Seagate IronWolf Pro drives I bought a, the first one is still working OK, and the newer one failed after less than a year! Since I am in Serbia, and I bought it in Germany, I can also forget about any warranty, just to add insult to the injury.
I've been using and working with computers for almost fourty years. This is the first time I've had a hard disk fail. However, in late 2008, I've had a HDD start making clicking noises and replaced it right after purhcase, under warranty.
Both of those problems were with Seagate hard disks!
I know it's not a statisticaly valid sample, but I don't think I'll be buying from Seagate any more.
Weren't those the drives part of a larger scam?
Read about smth a couple weeks ago.
Was smth about manipulated FARM stats etc. Some mydealz user commented that the Power on Hours suddenly were way more when using
smartctl --log=farm /dev/[DRIVE] | grep "Power of Hours"
More than 250 readers have now emailed us about their hard disks that were purchased as new but have already been used. Capacities of 4 to 16 TByte are affected, mostly drives from the Exos server series, and now more and more from the Ironwolf and Ironwolf Pro NAS series. The fraud can be detected by software (such as smartmontools or Hard Disk Sentinel) and by querying the FARM values, and there are also some obvious signs on the housing and especially on the sticker.
There are also YT videos how you can check your drives were affected
This one was brand new.
Judging by how it sounds and behaves, it looks like a hardware failure (not electronics).
I did keep it in a HDD external rack, and power it on for a few hours once per week.
Maybe it is better to keep a HDD inside a computer case with some active cooling - will try to do that in the future (and keap the external rack just for saving data when servicing computers).
Also, I will buy locally, so that I can use warranty in case of failures - even if it ends up being more expensive (I just ordered a 12 TB WD Ultrastar from a local shop and will see how it fares - this one seems to actually be cheaper in Serbia than Seagate IronWolf, Toshiba N300 or WD Red and Gold series - go figure).
EDIT:
@bikegremlin bad luck. Maybe the seller will reimburse given it's a known issue?
Seagate as a company won't do anything. (they do let you register a HDD on their site and claim some coverage, but at least in this case they directed me to the seller and that's it).
Seller, from German Amazon, wants me to ship the HDD to his warehouse in Germany.
That is a logistics problem.
Also, and I realized that right after I got the seller's request, I had some unencrypted data on that drive (100% my fault, no excuse). So, I would rather lose the money than risk exposing my pigeon pics (client data is less critical). I do have spare backups, but I wasn't considering a drive failing suddenly before I can safely clean the data (again, 100% my stupidity). At this time, I plan to use it to show my son how a hard drive is built, and how the data is securely destroyed on a faulty hard drive.
Ah, fair enough. In that case shipping it in won't really be worth it, I guess. Congrats on having a son btw! Didn't know you had one, so train them well in the arts of drives and bikes
@bikegremlin said:
Well, out of two Seagate IronWolf Pro drives I bought a, the first one is still working OK, and the newer one failed after less than a year! Since I am in Serbia, and I bought it in Germany, I can also forget about any warranty, just to add insult to the injury.
I've been using and working with computers for almost fourty years. This is the first time I've had a hard disk fail. However, in late 2008, I've had a HDD start making clicking noises and replaced it right after purhcase, under warranty.
Both of those problems were with Seagate hard disks!
I know it's not a statisticaly valid sample, but I don't think I'll be buying from Seagate any more.
Sucks, always sad to hear about a crappy experience with a drive failing like that so soon
A bit of a tangent, but internally I kind of chuckle when we'll get someone asking why a HDD in a rented server has 30-50k Power On Hours (Ultrastar / HGST / Toshiba usually) and how that is far too many compared to their desktop WDC blue or whatever. I definitely trust certain brands/models significantly more than others, and that many hours on a 2.5m MTBF Enterprise HDD is like a Toyota with 35k miles on it. You finally know its good at that point. HDDs are probably the single most prevalent component in any of my racks and actually have amazing track records given their use/quantities/run times/etc. If they work after being shipped, they're likely to work for a very, very long time assuming you don't move or touch them
@bikegremlin said:
Well, out of two Seagate IronWolf Pro drives I bought a, the first one is still working OK, and the newer one failed after less than a year! Since I am in Serbia, and I bought it in Germany, I can also forget about any warranty, just to add insult to the injury.
I've been using and working with computers for almost fourty years. This is the first time I've had a hard disk fail. However, in late 2008, I've had a HDD start making clicking noises and replaced it right after purhcase, under warranty.
Both of those problems were with Seagate hard disks!
I know it's not a statisticaly valid sample, but I don't think I'll be buying from Seagate any more.
Upon inspection (and some "Sherlock on a shoestring" action), it turns out my drive was physically damaged by improper handling - not a model or a manufacturer's fault. I think this is fair to discluse (not that my few drive failures are statistically valid on a large scale either way).
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@bikegremlin said:
Well, out of two Seagate IronWolf Pro drives I bought a, the first one is still working OK, and the newer one failed after less than a year! Since I am in Serbia, and I bought it in Germany, I can also forget about any warranty, just to add insult to the injury.
I've been using and working with computers for almost fourty years. This is the first time I've had a hard disk fail. However, in late 2008, I've had a HDD start making clicking noises and replaced it right after purhcase, under warranty.
Both of those problems were with Seagate hard disks!
I know it's not a statisticaly valid sample, but I don't think I'll be buying from Seagate any more.
Upon inspection (and some "Sherlock on a shoestring" action), it turns out my drive was physically damaged by improper handling - not a model or a manufacturer's fault. I think this is fair to discluse (not that my few drive failures are statistically valid on a large scale either way).
So you pulled the drive out while backup was running and decided to drop it onto hard concrete floor a couple dozen times? Happens to the best of us
FYI, my Seagate Ironwolf 4TB drives are working fine. Only used for data backups in my server. The VMs still runs off SSDs.
Recently noticed SSD slowdowns on my gaming PC while downloading and extracting large files (30+ GBs) in one go. Downloading multiple files slow my entire pc and almost makes it hang. It happens after whatever ram buffer I have gets full. My PC has just one 2TB corsair cheapend nvme ssd. Thinking of going back to using hard disks for handling large continuous files. Wear do you think?
@bikegremlin said:
Well, out of two Seagate IronWolf Pro drives I bought a, the first one is still working OK, and the newer one failed after less than a year! Since I am in Serbia, and I bought it in Germany, I can also forget about any warranty, just to add insult to the injury.
I've been using and working with computers for almost fourty years. This is the first time I've had a hard disk fail. However, in late 2008, I've had a HDD start making clicking noises and replaced it right after purhcase, under warranty.
Both of those problems were with Seagate hard disks!
I know it's not a statisticaly valid sample, but I don't think I'll be buying from Seagate any more.
Upon inspection (and some "Sherlock on a shoestring" action), it turns out my drive was physically damaged by improper handling - not a model or a manufacturer's fault. I think this is fair to discluse (not that my few drive failures are statistically valid on a large scale either way).
So you pulled the drive out while backup was running and decided to drop it onto hard concrete floor a couple dozen times? Happens to the best of us
Something similarly idiotic most probably took place. Sigh... Humans...
FYI, my Seagate Ironwolf 4TB drives are working fine. Only used for data backups in my server. The VMs still runs off SSDs.
Recently noticed SSD slowdowns on my gaming PC while downloading and extracting large files (30+ GBs) in one go. Downloading multiple files slow my entire pc and almost makes it hang. It happens after whatever ram buffer I have gets full. My PC has just one 2TB corsair cheapend nvme ssd. Thinking of going back to using hard disks for handling large continuous files. Wear do you think?
Good quality hard disks should not be underestimated.
Having said that, good quality SSDs are still better and faster. Samsung has served me well over the past... if not a decade, then getting close to that. Both in 2.5" and in M.2 format.
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@bikegremlin said:
Good quality hard disks should not be underestimated.
Having said that, good quality SSDs are still better and faster. Samsung has served me well over the past... if not a decade, then getting close to that. Both in 2.5" and in M.2 format.
I had around 4 samsung SSDs. 1 of the 500 GB nvme (970 evo from 2019) died on me. Rest are still working fine. So agree with you on the quality for samsung SSDs.
Decided to use one of the samsung 2.5" SSDs for the OS disk and use the corsair nvme for just downloads and data extraction. Seems to somewhat fix the issue, specially if I read from one and write to the other. Issue is that the speed is comparable to a good HDD, around 150 MB/s. But at least I dont have to buy one for now...
@bikegremlin said:
Good quality hard disks should not be underestimated.
Having said that, good quality SSDs are still better and faster. Samsung has served me well over the past... if not a decade, then getting close to that. Both in 2.5" and in M.2 format.
I had around 4 samsung SSDs. 1 of the 500 GB nvme (970 evo from 2019) died on me. Rest are still working fine. So agree with you on the quality for samsung SSDs.
Decided to use one of the samsung 2.5" SSDs for the OS disk and use the corsair nvme for just downloads and data extraction. Seems to somewhat fix the issue, specially if I read from one and write to the other. Issue is that the speed is comparable to a good HDD, around 150 MB/s. But at least I dont have to buy one for now...
Yeah, there is a limit of SATA connection for those 2.5" SSDs, so sustained transfer of large amounts of data is limited.
For general use (lots of random reads, mostly), they are still a lot faster than HDDs.
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@bikegremlin said:
Good quality hard disks should not be underestimated.
Having said that, good quality SSDs are still better and faster. Samsung has served me well over the past... if not a decade, then getting close to that. Both in 2.5" and in M.2 format.
I had around 4 samsung SSDs. 1 of the 500 GB nvme (970 evo from 2019) died on me. Rest are still working fine. So agree with you on the quality for samsung SSDs.
Decided to use one of the samsung 2.5" SSDs for the OS disk and use the corsair nvme for just downloads and data extraction. Seems to somewhat fix the issue, specially if I read from one and write to the other. Issue is that the speed is comparable to a good HDD, around 150 MB/s. But at least I dont have to buy one for now...
Yeah, there is a limit of SATA connection for those 2.5" SSDs, so sustained transfer of large amounts of data is limited.
For general use (lots of random reads, mostly), they are still a lot faster than HDDs.
Yea, that's why I was wondering if i should go with a HDD, cause my use case is sustained transfer of large amounts of data, where HDD and SSDs perform almost similarly until SSDs hit their cache limit and slows down, while HDDs will keep chugging along. I would never replace my OS drive or Games drive with a HDD. Only the bulk data storage drive that contains files ranging from 5GB to 100GBs...
@bikegremlin said:
Good quality hard disks should not be underestimated.
Having said that, good quality SSDs are still better and faster. Samsung has served me well over the past... if not a decade, then getting close to that. Both in 2.5" and in M.2 format.
I had around 4 samsung SSDs. 1 of the 500 GB nvme (970 evo from 2019) died on me. Rest are still working fine. So agree with you on the quality for samsung SSDs.
Decided to use one of the samsung 2.5" SSDs for the OS disk and use the corsair nvme for just downloads and data extraction. Seems to somewhat fix the issue, specially if I read from one and write to the other. Issue is that the speed is comparable to a good HDD, around 150 MB/s. But at least I dont have to buy one for now...
Yeah, there is a limit of SATA connection for those 2.5" SSDs, so sustained transfer of large amounts of data is limited.
For general use (lots of random reads, mostly), they are still a lot faster than HDDs.
Yea, that's why I was wondering if i should go with a HDD, cause my use case is sustained transfer of large amounts of data, where HDD and SSDs perform almost similarly until SSDs hit their cache limit and slows down, while HDDs will keep chugging along. I would never replace my OS drive or Games drive with a HDD. Only the bulk data storage drive that contains files ranging from 5GB to 100GBs...
If your SSD is of a high quality, it will sustain higher speeds for longer (and have the SATA lane be the limiting factor).
Also, the newer SSDs that use PCIe can sustain much higher speeds for a long time - especially if you provide good cooling airflow.
Of course, HDDs are still robust, durable and cheaper for high-volume storage, so probably a wiser choice.
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@bikegremlin said:
If your SSD is of a high quality, it will sustain higher speeds for longer (and have the SATA lane be the limiting factor).
Also, the newer SSDs that use PCIe can sustain much higher speeds for a long time - especially if you provide good cooling airflow.
Yep, the issue being when shopping SSDs online, i tend to go with the "cheaper" option over good quality one... Last time i even got a PNY brand SSD that was slower then a actual HDD. Well, next time need to remember to go with good name brand SSDs...
@bikegremlin said:
If your SSD is of a high quality, it will sustain higher speeds for longer (and have the SATA lane be the limiting factor).
Also, the newer SSDs that use PCIe can sustain much higher speeds for a long time - especially if you provide good cooling airflow.
Yep, the issue being when shopping SSDs online, i tend to go with the "cheaper" option over good quality one... Last time i even got a PNY brand SSD that was slower then a actual HDD. Well, next time need to remember to go with good name brand SSDs...
I will just underline this:
Go with Enterprise Hardware, even 3-5 year used Flash based ones beat current Premium Consumer grade HW in reliability. ( always had )
Reliability usually out-passes Performance in the long run, at least for most.
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If it helps anyone - I got a 12 TB Seagate IronWolf Pro (my German - Amazon.de affiliate link) for about $270.
The picture says "Pro", the description doesn't, but I got the Pro allright. Passed all the stress tests, and has been working fine for a few months now. Looks good enough for me to have just ordered a second one.
Amazon reviews say it's refurbished (and hence the low price), but it doesn't state that anywhere on the package - and it looks, sounds, and works OK (at least the one I got, we'll see about the second one).
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Refurbished can also mean it's a customer return. Someone who ordered and decided to returned it cause they didn't like it or didn't need it or other reason. The vendor will test it and sell it as refurbished.
Sometimes it's also the shucked drives from external hdd enclosures on sale or even extra stock they want to get rid of before the warranty is close to expiry.
Not much difference from the real deal so as long as it works for you, good enough.
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Well, out of two Seagate IronWolf Pro drives I bought a, the first one is still working OK, and the newer one failed after less than a year!
Since I am in Serbia, and I bought it in Germany, I can also forget about any warranty, just to add insult to the injury.
I've been using and working with computers for almost fourty years. This is the first time I've had a hard disk fail. However, in late 2008, I've had a HDD start making clicking noises and replaced it right after purhcase, under warranty.
Both of those problems were with Seagate hard disks!
I know it's not a statisticaly valid sample, but I don't think I'll be buying from Seagate any more.
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All components made in China.
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Weren't those the drives part of a larger scam where old drives were sold as "new"?
Read about smth a couple weeks ago.
Was smth about manipulated FARM stats etc. Some mydealz user commented that the Power on Hours suddenly were way more when using
smartctl --log=farm /dev/[DRIVE] | grep "Power of Hours"Ah, here you go: https://www.heise.de/en/news/Hard-disk-fraud-Details-of-the-Seagate-investigation-10296444.html
More than 250 readers have now emailed us about their hard disks that were purchased as new but have already been used. Capacities of 4 to 16 TByte are affected, mostly drives from the Exos server series, and now more and more from the Ironwolf and Ironwolf Pro NAS series. The fraud can be detected by software (such as smartmontools or Hard Disk Sentinel) and by querying the FARM values, and there are also some obvious signs on the housing and especially on the sticker.
Also
https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/hdds/seagates-fraudulent-hdd-scandal-expands-ironwolf-pro-hard-drives-also-affected
https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/hdds/german-seagate-customers-say-their-new-hard-drives-were-actually-used-resold-hdds-reportedly-used-for-tens-of-thousands-of-hours
https://www.tweaktown.com/news/103161/global-hardware-scam-brand-new-seagate-hard-drives-exposed-as-used-mining-equipment/index.html
And other sources
There are also YT videos how you can check your drives were affected
@bikegremlin bad luck. Maybe the seller will reimburse given it's a known issue?
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This one was brand new.
Judging by how it sounds and behaves, it looks like a hardware failure (not electronics).
I did keep it in a HDD external rack, and power it on for a few hours once per week.
Maybe it is better to keep a HDD inside a computer case with some active cooling - will try to do that in the future (and keap the external rack just for saving data when servicing computers).
Also, I will buy locally, so that I can use warranty in case of failures - even if it ends up being more expensive (I just ordered a 12 TB WD Ultrastar from a local shop and will see how it fares - this one seems to actually be cheaper in Serbia than Seagate IronWolf, Toshiba N300 or WD Red and Gold series - go figure).
EDIT:
Seagate as a company won't do anything. (they do let you register a HDD on their site and claim some coverage, but at least in this case they directed me to the seller and that's it).
Seller, from German Amazon, wants me to ship the HDD to his warehouse in Germany.
That is a logistics problem.
Also, and I realized that right after I got the seller's request, I had some unencrypted data on that drive (100% my fault, no excuse). So, I would rather lose the money than risk exposing my pigeon pics (client data is less critical). I do have spare backups, but I wasn't considering a drive failing suddenly before I can safely clean the data (again, 100% my stupidity). At this time, I plan to use it to show my son how a hard drive is built, and how the data is securely destroyed on a faulty hard drive.
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Ah, fair enough. In that case shipping it in won't really be worth it, I guess. Congrats on having a son btw! Didn't know you had one, so train them well in the arts of drives and bikes
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Yes - since a model listed under recommendations turns out to be a problematic (as discussed above). A fair note/warning.
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Sucks, always sad to hear about a crappy experience with a drive failing like that so soon
A bit of a tangent, but internally I kind of chuckle when we'll get someone asking why a HDD in a rented server has 30-50k Power On Hours (Ultrastar / HGST / Toshiba usually) and how that is far too many compared to their desktop WDC blue or whatever. I definitely trust certain brands/models significantly more than others, and that many hours on a 2.5m MTBF Enterprise HDD is like a Toyota with 35k miles on it. You finally know its good at that point. HDDs are probably the single most prevalent component in any of my racks and actually have amazing track records given their use/quantities/run times/etc. If they work after being shipped, they're likely to work for a very, very long time assuming you don't move or touch them
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Upon inspection (and some "Sherlock on a shoestring" action), it turns out my drive was physically damaged by improper handling - not a model or a manufacturer's fault. I think this is fair to discluse (not that my few drive failures are statistically valid on a large scale either way).
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So you pulled the drive out while backup was running and decided to drop it onto hard concrete floor a couple dozen times? Happens to the best of us
FYI, my Seagate Ironwolf 4TB drives are working fine. Only used for data backups in my server. The VMs still runs off SSDs.
Recently noticed SSD slowdowns on my gaming PC while downloading and extracting large files (30+ GBs) in one go. Downloading multiple files slow my entire pc and almost makes it hang. It happens after whatever ram buffer I have gets full. My PC has just one 2TB corsair cheapend nvme ssd. Thinking of going back to using hard disks for handling large continuous files. Wear do you think?
If you can’t be kind, at least be vague.
Something similarly idiotic most probably took place. Sigh... Humans...
Good quality hard disks should not be underestimated.
Having said that, good quality SSDs are still better and faster. Samsung has served me well over the past... if not a decade, then getting close to that. Both in 2.5" and in M.2 format.
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I had around 4 samsung SSDs. 1 of the 500 GB nvme (970 evo from 2019) died on me. Rest are still working fine. So agree with you on the quality for samsung SSDs.
Decided to use one of the samsung 2.5" SSDs for the OS disk and use the corsair nvme for just downloads and data extraction. Seems to somewhat fix the issue, specially if I read from one and write to the other. Issue is that the speed is comparable to a good HDD, around 150 MB/s. But at least I dont have to buy one for now...
If you can’t be kind, at least be vague.
Yeah, there is a limit of SATA connection for those 2.5" SSDs, so sustained transfer of large amounts of data is limited.
For general use (lots of random reads, mostly), they are still a lot faster than HDDs.
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Yea, that's why I was wondering if i should go with a HDD, cause my use case is sustained transfer of large amounts of data, where HDD and SSDs perform almost similarly until SSDs hit their cache limit and slows down, while HDDs will keep chugging along. I would never replace my OS drive or Games drive with a HDD. Only the bulk data storage drive that contains files ranging from 5GB to 100GBs...
If you can’t be kind, at least be vague.
If your SSD is of a high quality, it will sustain higher speeds for longer (and have the SATA lane be the limiting factor).
Also, the newer SSDs that use PCIe can sustain much higher speeds for a long time - especially if you provide good cooling airflow.
Of course, HDDs are still robust, durable and cheaper for high-volume storage, so probably a wiser choice.
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Yep, the issue being when shopping SSDs online, i tend to go with the "cheaper" option over good quality one... Last time i even got a PNY brand SSD that was slower then a actual HDD. Well, next time need to remember to go with good name brand SSDs...
If you can’t be kind, at least be vague.
I will just underline this:
Go with Enterprise Hardware, even 3-5 year used Flash based ones beat current Premium Consumer grade HW in reliability. ( always had )
Reliability usually out-passes Performance in the long run, at least for most.
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I do that for buying server hardware for my homelab, but did not consider it for storage... Just CPU & RAMs. Will give it a try, thanks for the idea.
If you can’t be kind, at least be vague.
I remember my first home-lab setups using whatever I could get from the used market locally.
Back then ebay was, well, not existent, but today this is a different story.
Have fun
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Host-C - VPS & Storage VPS Services – Reliable, Scalable and Fast - AS211462
"If there is no struggle there is no progress"