Looking for some RTO offers

GreenBoi · February 24

Hey everyone!
I’m looking for some simple Rent to Own (RTO) or Lease to Own (LTO) offers, preferably in the US or EU. Open to either 6-month or 1-year terms.

If you have any offers, feel free to share them with me!

Thanks!

Decicus · February 24

@crunchbits (or @sh97 @skorupion would probably be able to handle that too) for WA or PA in the US

ZizzyDizzyMC · February 24

What kind of hardware are you looking for? SLA? Network? Etc.

AuroraZero · February 24

Dacentec does RTO still, have done it a few times not bad honestly

imok · February 24

Maybe @Ian_Dot_Tech has something available.

100tb · February 24

What are you looking for ? Specs ?

yoursunny · February 24

We have PTSD seeing "RTO".
It means Return To Office here.

georgedatacenter · February 25

Check Tier.net

GreenBoi · February 25

@100tb said:
What are you looking for ? Specs ?

I'm just looking, I don't have anything in mind. I'd like to know what's available right now.

terrorgen · February 25

I am probably showing my ignorance on this topic, which I am, but I am curious about how this works.

What happens after you owned the equipment outright?

Do you get free colo? I doubt it.

So what is the value preposition of RTO vs just renting it indefinitely?

At least when renting, upgrading it is a matter of renting a newer machine and move your data there.

georgedatacenter · February 25

After paying for an agreed period of time, you only pay for the colo service, and you own the hardware.

For large hardware, where you would normally have to pay $500 continuously, this option looks good since you would only pay for the colo service afterwards.

Some people say this is not very convenient and that it’s better to take out a loan to buy the hardware. Others say it’s better to just rent it because if there is a hardware problem, the data center will replace it

100tb · February 26

@GreenBoi said:

@100tb said:
What are you looking for ? Specs ?

I'm just looking, I don't have anything in mind. I'd like to know what's available right now.

Hard to just give a random price, atleast for us, if you have a spec and requirement, we can look into it (we do custom offers only for RTO).

GreenBoi · February 26

@100tb said:

@GreenBoi said:

@100tb said:
What are you looking for ? Specs ?

I'm just looking, I don't have anything in mind. I'd like to know what's available right now.

Hard to just give a random price, atleast for us, if you have a spec and requirement, we can look into it (we do custom offers only for RTO).

Oh alright if that's the case then I'd be interested in looking into something like
192-256GB Ram
4+TB SSD/Nvme
Probably a XEON CPU.

I don't really have a requirement for location, anything on the East/West USA or Germany.

Let me know.

100tb · February 26

@GreenBoi said:

@100tb said:

@GreenBoi said:

@100tb said:
What are you looking for ? Specs ?

I'm just looking, I don't have anything in mind. I'd like to know what's available right now.

Hard to just give a random price, atleast for us, if you have a spec and requirement, we can look into it (we do custom offers only for RTO).

Oh alright if that's the case then I'd be interested in looking into something like
192-256GB Ram
4+TB SSD/Nvme
Probably a XEON CPU.

I don't really have a requirement for location, anything on the East/West USA or Germany.

Let me know.

Ok, we fail on location, we only have DC in Stockholm, Sweden.

GreenBoi · February 26

@100tb said:

@GreenBoi said:

@100tb said:

@GreenBoi said:

@100tb said:
What are you looking for ? Specs ?

I'm just looking, I don't have anything in mind. I'd like to know what's available right now.

Hard to just give a random price, atleast for us, if you have a spec and requirement, we can look into it (we do custom offers only for RTO).

Oh alright if that's the case then I'd be interested in looking into something like
192-256GB Ram
4+TB SSD/Nvme
Probably a XEON CPU.

I don't really have a requirement for location, anything on the East/West USA or Germany.

Let me know.

Ok, we fail on location, we only have DC in Stockholm, Sweden.

Well no worries, let me know what's available in Sweden. Could consider it if it amuses me

sh97 · February 26

@GreenBoi said:

@100tb said:

@GreenBoi said:

@100tb said:
What are you looking for ? Specs ?

I'm just looking, I don't have anything in mind. I'd like to know what's available right now.

Hard to just give a random price, atleast for us, if you have a spec and requirement, we can look into it (we do custom offers only for RTO).

Oh alright if that's the case then I'd be interested in looking into something like
192-256GB Ram
4+TB SSD/Nvme
Probably a XEON CPU.

I don't really have a requirement for location, anything on the East/West USA or Germany.

Let me know.

crunchbits can do this easily, it's a standard build, just open a ticket.

Dazzle · February 26

Dacentec

georgedatacenter · February 26

Dual E5-2697v3
28 Cores2.6 Ghz3.6 Ghz Turbo
256GB DDR4 RAM
120GB (Boot) + 2x 1TB NVMe
30TB @ 10GigE bandwidth

We could offer you this in RTO, if you want to discuss the terms you can send us a PM.

imok · February 26

Hey @georgedatacenter nice website!

Also nice specs.

GreenBoi · February 26

@georgedatacenter said:
Dual E5-2697v3
28 Cores2.6 Ghz3.6 Ghz Turbo
256GB DDR4 RAM
120GB (Boot) + 2x 1TB NVMe
30TB @ 10GigE bandwidth

We could offer you this in RTO, if you want to discuss the terms you can send us a PM.

Hi, please share what location that would be possible in and the pricing structure for it for RTO in PMs please.

crunchbits · March 1

@terrorgen said:
I am probably showing my ignorance on this topic, which I am, but I am curious about how this works.

What happens after you owned the equipment outright?

Do you get free colo? I doubt it.

So what is the value preposition of RTO vs just renting it indefinitely?

At least when renting, upgrading it is a matter of renting a newer machine and move your data there.

I'll try to share some insight as to why it can make sense, but it doesn't always make sense.

If you're a downstream/business customer looking to have (just a random example) some EPYC or Ryzen servers that are 1U, depending on the mix of hardware, you're looking at probably $150 to $350/mo range depending on disks/CPU/RAM/etc.

Customer 1 rents it at $200/mo for 24 months from us. Total: $4,800
Customer 2 LTO's it at $270/mo for 12 months, then pays $70/m colocation fee for 12 months. Total: $4,080
After 24 months, customer 1 leaves. Happy, I hope, but that is it.
After 24 months, customer 2 leaves. Customer 2 now also has hardware that still has residual value of well over $1,000. Additionally to that, especially for businesses: their on-going opex drops significantly while adding asset value.

It's a good match for a startup that wants to start building assets but doesn't have huge capex fund or VC money. It's good for even non-business use but you're considering that you might want to own it outright later. You're taking advantage of the provider's hardware purchasing power/negotiating power with vendors, knowledge about specifics (tons of pitfalls of this little stupid cable, or this stick of RAM broke but we have 100's on hand to get you up ASAP and RMA later, etc).

If you are likely confident that your timeline is sub 6 months, or the server is so cheap/old you don't want to own it anyways? Definitely a worse deal. But at the same token, we've had customers who specifically took advantage of a good deal on an E5v4-based LTO because the same DDR4 RAM, enterprise SSDs, SMCI chassis, etc are all valuable and drop-in replacements to upgrade-in-place to a X11/Xeon Scalable tier system for a few hundred bucks instead of $1k+ on new system completely.

I can't speak to all programs since every provider is different, but stuff that is LTO'd in our facilities has 12-month warranty on every component (including remote hands work free). Hardware will fail, but I figure that is a solid peace-of-mind that I would want on my end. There is still a certain level of additional "maintenance" you must take when it is your own colo gear, but it's a way to sort of scale-up/in.

All in all, I agree with just renting our servers as a normal rental. We make more money that way

GreenBoi · March 7

@crunchbits said:

@terrorgen said:
I am probably showing my ignorance on this topic, which I am, but I am curious about how this works.

What happens after you owned the equipment outright?

Do you get free colo? I doubt it.

So what is the value preposition of RTO vs just renting it indefinitely?

At least when renting, upgrading it is a matter of renting a newer machine and move your data there.

I'll try to share some insight as to why it can make sense, but it doesn't always make sense.

If you're a downstream/business customer looking to have (just a random example) some EPYC or Ryzen servers that are 1U, depending on the mix of hardware, you're looking at probably $150 to $350/mo range depending on disks/CPU/RAM/etc.

Customer 1 rents it at $200/mo for 24 months from us. Total: $4,800

Customer 2 LTO's it at $270/mo for 12 months, then pays $70/m colocation fee for 12 months. Total: $4,080

After 24 months, customer 1 leaves. Happy, I hope, but that is it.

After 24 months, customer 2 leaves. Customer 2 now also has hardware that still has residual value of well over $1,000. Additionally to that, especially for businesses: their on-going opex drops significantly while adding asset value.

It's a good match for a startup that wants to start building assets but doesn't have huge capex fund or VC money. It's good for even non-business use but you're considering that you might want to own it outright later. You're taking advantage of the provider's hardware purchasing power/negotiating power with vendors, knowledge about specifics (tons of pitfalls of this little stupid cable, or this stick of RAM broke but we have 100's on hand to get you up ASAP and RMA later, etc).

If you are likely confident that your timeline is sub 6 months, or the server is so cheap/old you don't want to own it anyways? Definitely a worse deal. But at the same token, we've had customers who specifically took advantage of a good deal on an E5v4-based LTO because the same DDR4 RAM, enterprise SSDs, SMCI chassis, etc are all valuable and drop-in replacements to upgrade-in-place to a X11/Xeon Scalable tier system for a few hundred bucks instead of $1k+ on new system completely.

I can't speak to all programs since every provider is different, but stuff that is LTO'd in our facilities has 12-month warranty on every component (including remote hands work free). Hardware will fail, but I figure that is a solid peace-of-mind that I would want on my end. There is still a certain level of additional "maintenance" you must take when it is your own colo gear, but it's a way to sort of scale-up/in.

All in all, I agree with just renting our servers as a normal rental. We make more money that way

Do you have something for 24mo LTO?

crunchbits · March 7

@GreenBoi said:

@crunchbits said:

@terrorgen said:
I am probably showing my ignorance on this topic, which I am, but I am curious about how this works.

What happens after you owned the equipment outright?

Do you get free colo? I doubt it.

So what is the value preposition of RTO vs just renting it indefinitely?

At least when renting, upgrading it is a matter of renting a newer machine and move your data there.

I'll try to share some insight as to why it can make sense, but it doesn't always make sense.

If you're a downstream/business customer looking to have (just a random example) some EPYC or Ryzen servers that are 1U, depending on the mix of hardware, you're looking at probably $150 to $350/mo range depending on disks/CPU/RAM/etc.

Customer 1 rents it at $200/mo for 24 months from us. Total: $4,800

Customer 2 LTO's it at $270/mo for 12 months, then pays $70/m colocation fee for 12 months. Total: $4,080

After 24 months, customer 1 leaves. Happy, I hope, but that is it.

After 24 months, customer 2 leaves. Customer 2 now also has hardware that still has residual value of well over $1,000. Additionally to that, especially for businesses: their on-going opex drops significantly while adding asset value.

It's a good match for a startup that wants to start building assets but doesn't have huge capex fund or VC money. It's good for even non-business use but you're considering that you might want to own it outright later. You're taking advantage of the provider's hardware purchasing power/negotiating power with vendors, knowledge about specifics (tons of pitfalls of this little stupid cable, or this stick of RAM broke but we have 100's on hand to get you up ASAP and RMA later, etc).

If you are likely confident that your timeline is sub 6 months, or the server is so cheap/old you don't want to own it anyways? Definitely a worse deal. But at the same token, we've had customers who specifically took advantage of a good deal on an E5v4-based LTO because the same DDR4 RAM, enterprise SSDs, SMCI chassis, etc are all valuable and drop-in replacements to upgrade-in-place to a X11/Xeon Scalable tier system for a few hundred bucks instead of $1k+ on new system completely.

I can't speak to all programs since every provider is different, but stuff that is LTO'd in our facilities has 12-month warranty on every component (including remote hands work free). Hardware will fail, but I figure that is a solid peace-of-mind that I would want on my end. There is still a certain level of additional "maintenance" you must take when it is your own colo gear, but it's a way to sort of scale-up/in.

All in all, I agree with just renting our servers as a normal rental. We make more money that way

Do you have something for 24mo LTO?

No, we don't.

Looking for some RTO offers

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