RULES RULES RULES RULES RULES + INFO [updated October 9th, 2024]

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  • GreenBoiGreenBoi Hosting Provider
    edited July 15

    @cmeerw said:

    @LES-BOT said: $7 p/month Maximum for VPS offers

    Is offering $100 per month for a VPS fine as long as a one-time discount for the first month of 95 % is offered?

    Shouldn't the maximum "$7 per month" be the recurring price?

    May I also suggest that specifying a "per month" price that is only valid for the first month is misleading and shouldn't be allowed.

    Only $100.00 per month $ 5.00 per month
    95 % OFF for first month

    vs.

    Only $5.00 for first month, $100.00 per month thereafter

    I see that you've come here after looking at my LES Exclusive offer post.
    Its not misleading at all, I mentioned it in 3 places of the post that it was only for the first month.

    • title
    • heading
    • right below the price

    Unless the person is having difficulty seeing, its very clear that its a first month offer.

    I don't find any issue with this allowance.

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  • bikegremlinbikegremlin ModeratorOGContent Writer
    edited July 15

    @cmeerw said:

    @LES-BOT said: $7 p/month Maximum for VPS offers

    Is offering $100 per month for a VPS fine as long as a one-time discount for the first month of 95 % is offered?

    Shouldn't the maximum "$7 per month" be the recurring price?

    May I also suggest that specifying a "per month" price that is only valid for the first month is misleading and shouldn't be allowed.

    Only $100.00 per month $ 5.00 per month
    95 % OFF for first month

    vs.

    Only $5.00 for first month, $100.00 per month thereafter

    Capitalism, free market and all.
    Don't tell me you'd prefer we enforced Communism?!

    :)

    Edit:
    Almost forgot one of my favourites:
    "Vote with your wallet."

    :)

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  • @bikegremlin said:
    Capitalism, free market and all.
    Don't tell me you'd prefer we enforced Communism?!

    Sure.
    The core principle of communism is that you take what you need, no payment required.
    I need 8 cores for encoding push-up videos, and the server @cmeerw is using looks perfect.

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  • @yoursunny said:

    @bikegremlin said:
    Capitalism, free market and all.
    Don't tell me you'd prefer we enforced Communism?!

    Sure.
    The core principle of communism is that you take what you need, no payment required.
    I need 8 cores for encoding push-up videos, and the server @cmeerw is using looks perfect.

    Now 4 cores 8 cores
    double cores for the first month

    How many cores do you get for the first month, and how many for the following months?

    And someone has to explain to me what this has to do with Communism.

  • skorousskorous OGSenpai

    @cmeerw said:

    @yoursunny said:

    @bikegremlin said:
    Capitalism, free market and all.
    Don't tell me you'd prefer we enforced Communism?!

    Sure.
    The core principle of communism is that you take what you need, no payment required.
    I need 8 cores for encoding push-up videos, and the server @cmeerw is using looks perfect.

    Now 4 cores 8 cores/mo
    double cores for the first month

    How many cores do you get for the first month, and how many for the following months?

    And someone has to explain to me what this has to do with Communism.

    fixed that for you

  • bikegremlinbikegremlin ModeratorOGContent Writer

    @yoursunny said:

    @bikegremlin said:
    Capitalism, free market and all.
    Don't tell me you'd prefer we enforced Communism?!

    Sure.
    The core principle of communism is that you take what you need, no payment required.
    I need 8 cores for encoding push-up videos, and the server @cmeerw is using looks perfect.

    Comrade, I am sad to say that your request could not be fulfilled because of the US-emposed sanctions.

    Please continue contributing according to your ability for pushups, and the victory will be imminent!

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  • mikhomikho AdministratorOG

    Due to recent events, a clarification on the rules has been added to the first post.

    Regarding posting Free Offers.

    • Trial offers (Test our service free for X amount of time) are NOT considered free

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  • skhronskhron Hosting Provider

    Title says rules were updated in the future :D

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  • AuroraZeroAuroraZero ModeratorHosting Provider
    edited October 10

    @skhron said:
    Title says rules were updated in the future :D

    We used the LES time machine made out of 8086 and shoe strings

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  • bikegremlinbikegremlin ModeratorOGContent Writer

    @AuroraZero said:

    @skhron said:
    Title says rules were updated in the future :D

    We used the LES time machine made out of 8086 and shoe strings

    Yeah - but that's still a bit old. I thought we were five years ahead of our time?!

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  • AuroraZeroAuroraZero ModeratorHosting Provider

    @bikegremlin said:

    @AuroraZero said:

    @skhron said:
    Title says rules were updated in the future :D

    We used the LES time machine made out of 8086 and shoe strings

    Yeah - but that's still a bit old. I thought we were five years ahead of our time?!

    Imma fix this thread permanently

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  • Not_OlesNot_Oles Hosting ProviderContent Writer

    @AuroraZero said:

    @bikegremlin said:

    @AuroraZero said:

    @skhron said:
    Title says rules were updated in the future :D

    We used the LES time machine made out of 8086 and shoe strings

    Yeah - but that's still a bit old. I thought we were five years ahead of our time?!

    Imma fix this thread permanently

    Thread title changed to:

    [updated October 9th, 1935]

    Please, can we have January 1, 1970? :)

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  • AuroraZeroAuroraZero ModeratorHosting Provider

    @Not_Oles said:

    @AuroraZero said:

    @bikegremlin said:

    @AuroraZero said:

    @skhron said:
    Title says rules were updated in the future :D

    We used the LES time machine made out of 8086 and shoe strings

    Yeah - but that's still a bit old. I thought we were five years ahead of our time?!

    Imma fix this thread permanently

    Thread title changed to:

    [updated October 9th, 1935]

    Please, can we have January 1, 1970? :)

    Nope 1935 it is :tongue:

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  • Reminds me,

    youtube.com/watch?v=k1BneeJTDcU

  • @LES-BOT said:

    • Setup fees are not allowed on any service other than dedicated servers. The dedicated server setup fee can be a maximum of 1 month equivalent of server cost, only providers that have been established for 3+ years may charge a setup fee on dedicated servers.

    Apparently "HDD colo" i.e. VPS with a customer-provided drive can charge setup fee now.
    https://lowendspirit.com/discussion/comment/191450/#Comment_191450

    Please revise the rule to reflect that.

  • MasonMason AdministratorOG

    @yoursunny said:

    @LES-BOT said:

    • Setup fees are not allowed on any service other than dedicated servers. The dedicated server setup fee can be a maximum of 1 month equivalent of server cost, only providers that have been established for 3+ years may charge a setup fee on dedicated servers.

    Apparently "HDD colo" i.e. VPS with a customer-provided drive can charge setup fee now.
    https://lowendspirit.com/discussion/comment/191450/#Comment_191450

    Please revise the rule to reflect that.

    An exception was granted as was already communicated. I am in favor of allowing Colo to have setup fees too as that makes more sense to me than dedicated services being the only service that allows setup fees. I'll take that back to the team.

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  • AuroraZeroAuroraZero ModeratorHosting Provider
    edited November 24

    @Mason said:

    @yoursunny said:

    @LES-BOT said:

    • Setup fees are not allowed on any service other than dedicated servers. The dedicated server setup fee can be a maximum of 1 month equivalent of server cost, only providers that have been established for 3+ years may charge a setup fee on dedicated servers.

    Apparently "HDD colo" i.e. VPS with a customer-provided drive can charge setup fee now.
    https://lowendspirit.com/discussion/comment/191450/#Comment_191450

    Please revise the rule to reflect that.

    An exception was granted as was already communicated. I am in favor of allowing Colo to have setup fees too as that makes more sense to me than dedicated services being the only service that allows setup fees. I'll take that back to the team.

    I agree Colo having a "return to sender" fee makes sense.

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  • edited November 24

    @AuroraZero said:

    @Mason said:

    @yoursunny said:

    @LES-BOT said:

    • Setup fees are not allowed on any service other than dedicated servers. The dedicated server setup fee can be a maximum of 1 month equivalent of server cost, only providers that have been established for 3+ years may charge a setup fee on dedicated servers.

    Apparently "HDD colo" i.e. VPS with a customer-provided drive can charge setup fee now.
    https://lowendspirit.com/discussion/comment/191450/#Comment_191450

    Please revise the rule to reflect that.

    An exception was granted as was already communicated. I am in favor of allowing Colo to have setup fees too as that makes more sense to me than dedicated services being the only service that allows setup fees. I'll take that back to the team.

    I agree Colo having a "return to sender" fee makes sense.

    The "return to sender fee" is usually charged at the backend - when the customer wants equipment returned, the colo provider charges a remote hands fee to derack the equipment and charges a shipping fee to mail the equipment (unless customer provides shipping label).
    If the colo provider charges "return to sender fee" upfront and then deadpools, the customer loses not only the equipment but also the fee.

    However, if the customer wants to cancel service and abandon equipment, the colo provider would have to absorb disposal costs.
    This cost could be amortized into the monthly price.

  • AuroraZeroAuroraZero ModeratorHosting Provider

    @yoursunny said:

    @AuroraZero said:

    @Mason said:

    @yoursunny said:

    @LES-BOT said:

    • Setup fees are not allowed on any service other than dedicated servers. The dedicated server setup fee can be a maximum of 1 month equivalent of server cost, only providers that have been established for 3+ years may charge a setup fee on dedicated servers.

    Apparently "HDD colo" i.e. VPS with a customer-provided drive can charge setup fee now.
    https://lowendspirit.com/discussion/comment/191450/#Comment_191450

    Please revise the rule to reflect that.

    An exception was granted as was already communicated. I am in favor of allowing Colo to have setup fees too as that makes more sense to me than dedicated services being the only service that allows setup fees. I'll take that back to the team.

    I agree Colo having a "return to sender" fee makes sense.

    The "return to sender fee" is usually charged at the backend - when the customer wants equipment returned, the colo provider charges a remote hands fee to derack the equipment and charges a shipping fee to mail the equipment (unless customer provides shipping label).
    If the colo provider charges "return to sender fee" upfront and then deadpools, the customer loses not only the equipment but also the fee.

    However, if the customer wants to cancel service and abandon equipment, the colo provider would have to absorb disposal costs.
    This cost could be amortized into the monthly price.

    You can stop with the walls of text. I am not new to this industry and don't need to explanations.

    The Admins made the decision live with it or don't period.

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  • mikhomikho AdministratorOG

    @yoursunny said:

    @AuroraZero said:

    @Mason said:

    @yoursunny said:

    @LES-BOT said:

    • Setup fees are not allowed on any service other than dedicated servers. The dedicated server setup fee can be a maximum of 1 month equivalent of server cost, only providers that have been established for 3+ years may charge a setup fee on dedicated servers.

    Apparently "HDD colo" i.e. VPS with a customer-provided drive can charge setup fee now.
    https://lowendspirit.com/discussion/comment/191450/#Comment_191450

    Please revise the rule to reflect that.

    An exception was granted as was already communicated. I am in favor of allowing Colo to have setup fees too as that makes more sense to me than dedicated services being the only service that allows setup fees. I'll take that back to the team.

    I agree Colo having a "return to sender" fee makes sense.

    The "return to sender fee" is usually charged at the backend - when the customer wants equipment returned, the colo provider charges a remote hands fee to derack the equipment and charges a shipping fee to mail the equipment (unless customer provides shipping label).
    If the colo provider charges "return to sender fee" upfront and then deadpools, the customer loses not only the equipment but also the fee.

    However, if the customer wants to cancel service and abandon equipment, the colo provider would have to absorb disposal costs.
    This cost could be amortized into the monthly price.

    Just because "everyone else does it" doesn't mean everyone will have to do it. Thinking outside of the box is what gives new ideas to old providers.

    I will also post this here.

    The question was asked before the post, Admins gave it an OK, offer was posted.

    Now, let's leave this and focus on something else.

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  • teamaccteamacc OGSenpai

    Maybe clarify that if exceptions are granted that the first post has to state that an exception was made? Would prevent a lot of this discussion

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  • FrankZFrankZ Moderator

    In the spirit of BF/CM the following rules under the "Rules for posting offers:" are suspended for members with a LES Hosting or Service Provider tag from 00:01 (UTC) November 29th to 23:59 (PST) December 2nd, 2024.

    • $7 p/month Maximum for VPS offers
    • $99 p/month Maximum for Dedicated server offers
    • $70 p/month Maximum per U for COLO offers
    • $3 p/month Maximum for Shared hosting offers
    • $7 p/month Maximum for Reseller hosting offers
    • $5 p/month Maximum for VPN/Proxy related offers
    • $5 p/month Maximum for Email related offers
    • Setup fees are not allowed on any service other than dedicated servers. The dedicated server setup fee can be a maximum of 1 month equivalent of server cost.
    • 7 days between offer posts.

    Peace on earth will come to stay, when we all live as LESbians every day.
    For staff assistance or support issues please use the helpdesk ticket system at https://support.lowendspirit.com/index.php?a=add

  • @pike said:
    @AnthonySmith you cleared the drama and now it looks like you banned someone because he criticized you. At least that was my impression until I noticed you deleted some posts.

    that's called DEMOCRACY

  • FrankZFrankZ Moderator

    @cold said:

    @pike said:
    @AnthonySmith you cleared the drama and now it looks like you banned someone because he criticized you. At least that was my impression until I noticed you deleted some posts.

    that's called DEMOCRACY

    @pike was last active in March of 2022, so ??

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  • @mikho said: Trial offers (Test our service free for X amount of time) are NOT considered free

    So, "Free VPS trial for 1 month" is not considered free, but "Free VPS for 1 month" is?

    Could this be clarified where the line between "free" and "not free" is? I don't think I am the only one confused here.

  • mikhomikho AdministratorOG

    @cmeerw said:

    @mikho said: Trial offers (Test our service free for X amount of time) are NOT considered free

    So, "Free VPS trial for 1 month" is not considered free, but "Free VPS for 1 month" is?

    Could this be clarified where the line between "free" and "not free" is? I don't think I am the only one confused here.

    A trial is something that automagically converts to a monthly or yearly subscription. Like opt-out on marketing emails.

    Where as 1 month free should be considered as opt-in.
    You have to manually convert to a subscription if you get the chance to continue using your service.

    If a free offer is posted and its not an opt-in to continue using, feel free to flag the thread and admin/mods will handle it.

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  • AuroraZeroAuroraZero ModeratorHosting Provider

    @mikho said:

    @cmeerw said:

    @mikho said: Trial offers (Test our service free for X amount of time) are NOT considered free

    So, "Free VPS trial for 1 month" is not considered free, but "Free VPS for 1 month" is?

    Could this be clarified where the line between "free" and "not free" is? I don't think I am the only one confused here.

    A trial is something that automagically converts to a monthly or yearly subscription. Like opt-out on marketing emails.

    Where as 1 month free should be considered as opt-in.
    You have to manually convert to a subscription if you get the chance to continue using your service.

    If a free offer is posted and its not an opt-in to continue using, feel free to flag the thread and admin/mods will handle it.

    Exactly how I explained it when asked about it in PM. A free trial converts to payment of some kind. A free offer is free for the duration of the product line. If it is one month so be it, as long as it is stated in the offer. The rest of the requirements like an account that is so old, or post, or comments are fine as long as they do not ask for posts to get it, or other compemsation like reviews, money (obxiously), etc...

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  • Can we make/ enforce a rule to have pricing for allowed plans in the provider post offers else the post is taken down and a cool down period is enforced?

    Is it just me or it feels scummy / lazy on providers part

  • mikhomikho AdministratorOG

    @localhost said:
    Can we make/ enforce a rule to have pricing for allowed plans in the provider post offers else the post is taken down and a cool down period is enforced?

    Is it just me or it feels scummy / lazy on providers part

    If the post/thread is flagged we remove it.
    It has to be clear what the price is.
    We do not check every offer posted, we need help from the community members.

    If there are offers above the price limit, those are often removed while keeping the original post.

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  • @mikho said:

    @localhost said:
    Can we make/ enforce a rule to have pricing for allowed plans in the provider post offers else the post is taken down and a cool down period is enforced?

    Is it just me or it feels scummy / lazy on providers part

    If the post/thread is flagged we remove it.
    It has to be clear what the price is.
    We do not check every offer posted, we need help from the community members.

    If there are offers above the price limit, those are often removed while keeping the original post.

    Agreed. Flagging is needed.
    Maybe it is also important to call it out in the rules to ensure plan details are mentioned with pricing?

    Of course not all plans/ packages will be listed, but ones within the limits should be.

    Thanks

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