@Not_Oles said: I didn't see a click-to-enable netboot.xyz in Linveo's Virtfusion. So I guess you used a custom upload of a netboot.xyz ISO? May I please ask how did you get netboot.xyz going?
On the "Media" tab there is "CD/DVD-ROM" with a drop down list which contains netboot.xyz as the first entry (maybe only for TX?)
^ Yup this is how I booted netboot.xyz and my VM is in Texas
That particular netboot doesn't have NetBSD; is there one that does?
I was going to try the template ones, with cloud-init turned off but they vanished from VF.
(Not a lover of cloud-init anyway, 'cos I usually manually partition with LVM where available and have static IP for servers - unless in a real rush to get up & running.)
Today I've been battling with FreeBSD, webmin and ipfilter, whereby the webmin template rules cause outbound pings and pkg updates to fail. Being slightly more au fait with iptables syntax, it's a wee bit of a struggle. Gonna try out ipfw next, as that has a webmin module as standard. 'Tis a shame good 'ol CSF requires iptables to function.
@Not_Oles said: How does the customer confirm the contents of the template?
Therein lies the rub - I've seen some real nasty 'hidden gems' that get inserted, including ssh keys (don't recall who that was) and have fun tracing what the likes of OVH do. Much prefer using a minimal ISO, even though some bloat eg. wi-fi drivers (on a server!) are installed.
@linveo BTW, it's perfect having a decent amount of backup slots available. When experimenting at least one doesn't need to start from scratch each time there's a fubar.
Good job!
@cmeerw said: OpenBSD boot loader where you just type "boot"
As an avid semi-amatoor, it strikes me that you'd need to put in boot parameters, such as initram and rootfs.
I don't think any of the BSDs even have the concept of an initramfs. rootfs maybe, but if it's missing or incorrect, there should be an error saying that (or a prompt asking for the rootfs device)
Hey everyone, just getting caught up. I haven't gotten a reply from VF, but it is the weekend. It seems like the templates are a no go though right now. I did see some success with the people using the netboot option though which is interesting. Let me know if there are any items I need to test on the Hypervisor side.
@emperor said:
If anyone struggle with ipv6 setup on Ohio network, just set the prefixlen to 48 instead 64 . In Arizona was working fine with 64 prefixlen.
It is the same thing in TX, /64 doesn't work even though the panel tells you that. 48 will make the default router pingable, but traffic doesn't seem to go further than that though.
@Crab if you already set ipv6_defaultrouter in rc.conf can you try issuing this to see if its gonna work? I remember i needed to do it manual as something is broken and rc not setting it up as default only adding it as route.
route -6 add default ipv6_defaultrouter (replace ipv6_defaultrouter with the actual default route from linveo control panel )
@emperor said: @Crab if you already set ipv6_defaultrouter in rc.conf can you try issuing this to see if its gonna work? I remember i needed to do it manual as something is broken and rc not setting it up as default only adding it as route.
route -6 add default ipv6_defaultrouter (replace ipv6_defaultrouter with the actual default route from linveo control panel )
Interesting, that made it work! It has worked well elsewhere for me just by using rc.conf and without any manual route setting, so it didn't even cross my mind. I was automatically expecting something to be wrong in the environment. Thanks for the tip!
You are welcome. I don't think this will keep running after reboot (haven't made reboot yet), so adding simple rc.local file will fix broken ipv6 after reboot.
@emperor said: @Crab if you already set ipv6_defaultrouter in rc.conf can you try issuing this to see if its gonna work? I remember i needed to do it manual as something is broken and rc not setting it up as default only adding it as route.
route -6 add default ipv6_defaultrouter (replace ipv6_defaultrouter with the actual default route from linveo control panel )
I've never been a fan of how VF handles the /64 routes. It points to the gateway of the /48 parent block instead of creating a new one. It seems to work ok on Linux. I haven't tested on Windows though.
@linveo said: Let me know if there are any items I need to test on the Hypervisor side.
It's a bit hard to say as I don't really know what you can reasonably test on the Hypervisor side.
With NetBSD the current status is that the images work fine with a standard qemu (at least to the point that it successfully boots), but when trying to run them under VirtFusion, we seem to get a kernel panic (but without any console output) very early from the NetBSD kernel. So one thing that would be useful would be the exact qemu options VirtFusion is using (which might help in reproducing the issue and understanding what's responsible for the kernel panic). Another thing is that VirtFusion configures a serial port for the VM, but it's not clear where the output from that serial port ends up - if using the serial port as a console, the kernel panic will probably be written there (and knowing what NetBSD complains about would be extremely helpful).
Here might be an interesting NetBSD install method:
# From Linux to NetBSD, with SSH Only
remote NetBSD install with pivot root pivot_root
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41041995
https://cloudbsd.xyz/
@Not_Oles said:
Here might be an interesting NetBSD install method:
# From Linux to NetBSD, with SSH Only
remote NetBSD install with pivot root pivot_root
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41041995
https://cloudbsd.xyz/
@linveo I guess you would have said something if you heard back from Virtfusion. Should we conclude that there is no simple and easy way to get OpenBSD or NetBSD via Virtfusion?
FreeBSD is installed on my VM. I like FreeBSD. But installing also is fun! I wonder if there is a good way to go directly from FreeBSD to NetBSD or OpenBSD and back?
Alternatively, @linveo is it okay for me to change my VM to Debian so that I can try following the cloudbsd.xyz install?
FreeBSD works great on the Linveo instance and I'm very happy with its performance. Network is snappy and the node doesn't feel like it is crowded at all. Disk I/O is superfast. With both Root-on-ZFS and swap encryptions there's no noticeable performance loss. Even dd results are similar! Very impressive.
I definitely want to see OpenBSD and NetBSD both working here, but looks like we're at the mercy of VirtFusion. The problem must be something pretty simple and trivial since it is all just QEMU after all and it should support this just fine.
I believe after the core kernel loading it should start loading all the modules that are not compiled in and there it just throws the towel in either at the 9660.kmod or whatever it tries to load after that. My guess is that the 9660.kmod throws it off. Perhaps the virtio drivers are to blame...
@Not_Oles said:
Here might be an interesting NetBSD install method:
# From Linux to NetBSD, with SSH Only
remote NetBSD install with pivot root pivot_root
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41041995
https://cloudbsd.xyz/
@linveo I guess you would have said something if you heard back from Virtfusion. Should we conclude that there is no simple and easy way to get OpenBSD or NetBSD via Virtfusion?
FreeBSD is installed on my VM. I like FreeBSD. But installing also is fun! I wonder if there is a good way to go directly from FreeBSD to NetBSD or OpenBSD and back?
Alternatively, @linveo is it okay for me to change my VM to Debian so that I can try following the cloudbsd.xyz install?
It's been radio silent on the BSD templates. It doesn't seem well supported. Sure you can use any template you want now. I was hoping to get some good results with the other versions, but I have retired the templates for now.
For anyone who doesn't mind playing: your mission, should you choose to accept it..
Using FreeBSD (as that's appears to be the easiest to get running), install webmin along with an appropriate firewall, with webmin working GUI.
On the face of it, I'd prefer ipfw but the webmin GUI has a severe memory leak/resource issue whenever it's selected. Perhaps it's just my installation.
Any words of wisdom, will be appreciated. Yup, I could mess around in a shell prompt but life's too short/other things to do.
I noticed Linveo VirtFusion panel had changed its appearance, so I was wondering if a newer version was installed with potentially better support, but booting NetBSD and OpenBSD ISOs failed the same old way.
As I mentioned just above, From Linux to NetBSD, with SSH only looks really cool to me! Today I got a chance to watch the demo video on cloudbsd.xyz. I think I am really gonna try it on my Linveo VM and maybe also on a Hetzner dedi. There are quite a few steps in the procedure that I never used before. For example, there is a systemctl isolate command. I never used systemctl isolate. Is anyone else interested in trying this cool NetBSD install method?
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On the "Media" tab there is "CD/DVD-ROM" with a drop down list which contains netboot.xyz as the first entry (maybe only for TX?)
Alternatively, you could probably just use https://boot.netboot.xyz/ipxe/netboot.xyz.iso as a custom ISO?
Got it! Thanks!
This is in Arizona.
I hope everyone gets the servers they want!
^ Yup this is how I booted netboot.xyz and my VM is in Texas
That particular netboot doesn't have NetBSD; is there one that does?
I was going to try the template ones, with cloud-init turned off but they vanished from VF.
(Not a lover of cloud-init anyway, 'cos I usually manually partition with LVM where available and have static IP for servers - unless in a real rush to get up & running.)
Today I've been battling with FreeBSD, webmin and ipfilter, whereby the webmin template rules cause outbound pings and pkg updates to fail. Being slightly more au fait with iptables syntax, it's a wee bit of a struggle. Gonna try out ipfw next, as that has a webmin module as standard. 'Tis a shame good 'ol CSF requires iptables to function.
It wisnae me! A big boy done it and ran away.
NVMe2G for life! until death (the end is nigh)
Therein lies the rub - I've seen some real nasty 'hidden gems' that get inserted, including ssh keys (don't recall who that was) and have fun tracing what the likes of OVH do. Much prefer using a minimal ISO, even though some bloat eg. wi-fi drivers (on a server!) are installed.
It wisnae me! A big boy done it and ran away.
NVMe2G for life! until death (the end is nigh)
@linveo BTW, it's perfect having a decent amount of backup slots available. When experimenting at least one doesn't need to start from scratch each time there's a fubar.
Good job!
It wisnae me! A big boy done it and ran away.
NVMe2G for life! until death (the end is nigh)
From the above self-install netboot.xyz method..
Silly me just re-discovered the "Other BSD" templates - do'h! No luck with either, presumably with cloud-init still disabled on my VM.
NetBSD --> 1. Boot with serial console = hang
OpenBSD --> switching console to com0 = hang
It wisnae me! A big boy done it and ran away.
NVMe2G for life! until death (the end is nigh)
This is also happening to me, must investigate.
youtube.com/watch?v=k1BneeJTDcU
see https://lowendspirit.com/discussion/comment/185749/#Comment_185749
As an avid semi-amatoor, it strikes me that you'd need to put in boot parameters, such as initram and rootfs.
It wisnae me! A big boy done it and ran away.
NVMe2G for life! until death (the end is nigh)
I don't think any of the BSDs even have the concept of an initramfs. rootfs maybe, but if it's missing or incorrect, there should be an error saying that (or a prompt asking for the rootfs device)
Trying some older NetBSD installation images, and with 4.0.1 it gets a bit further up to:
Maybe newer versions have the same issue, but just reboot way earlier?
https://man.netbsd.org/NetBSD-10.x-BRANCH/boot.8 might glean some clues?
It wisnae me! A big boy done it and ran away.
NVMe2G for life! until death (the end is nigh)
Hey everyone, just getting caught up. I haven't gotten a reply from VF, but it is the weekend. It seems like the templates are a no go though right now. I did see some success with the people using the netboot option though which is interesting. Let me know if there are any items I need to test on the Hypervisor side.
linveo.com | Shared Hosting | KVM VPS | Dedicated Servers
If anyone struggle with ipv6 setup on Ohio network, just set the prefixlen to 48 instead 64 . In Arizona was working fine with 64 prefixlen.
ServerStatus , slackvpn <-- openVPN auto install script for Slackware 15
It is the same thing in TX, /64 doesn't work even though the panel tells you that. 48 will make the default router pingable, but traffic doesn't seem to go further than that though.
@Crab if you already set ipv6_defaultrouter in rc.conf can you try issuing this to see if its gonna work? I remember i needed to do it manual as something is broken and rc not setting it up as default only adding it as route.
route -6 add default ipv6_defaultrouter (replace ipv6_defaultrouter with the actual default route from linveo control panel )
ServerStatus , slackvpn <-- openVPN auto install script for Slackware 15
Interesting, that made it work! It has worked well elsewhere for me just by using rc.conf and without any manual route setting, so it didn't even cross my mind. I was automatically expecting something to be wrong in the environment. Thanks for the tip!
You are welcome. I don't think this will keep running after reboot (haven't made reboot yet), so adding simple rc.local file will fix broken ipv6 after reboot.
ServerStatus , slackvpn <-- openVPN auto install script for Slackware 15
I've never been a fan of how VF handles the /64 routes. It points to the gateway of the /48 parent block instead of creating a new one. It seems to work ok on Linux. I haven't tested on Windows though.
linveo.com | Shared Hosting | KVM VPS | Dedicated Servers
It's a bit hard to say as I don't really know what you can reasonably test on the Hypervisor side.
With NetBSD the current status is that the images work fine with a standard qemu (at least to the point that it successfully boots), but when trying to run them under VirtFusion, we seem to get a kernel panic (but without any console output) very early from the NetBSD kernel. So one thing that would be useful would be the exact qemu options VirtFusion is using (which might help in reproducing the issue and understanding what's responsible for the kernel panic). Another thing is that VirtFusion configures a serial port for the VM, but it's not clear where the output from that serial port ends up - if using the serial port as a console, the kernel panic will probably be written there (and knowing what NetBSD complains about would be extremely helpful).
I was able to get a screenshot of 9.4 just before the reboot and it was showing
WARNING: couldn't open /var/db/entropy-file
Loading /stand/amd64/9.4/modules/cd9660/cd9660.kmod
just before it crashes. Perhaps the kernel is not able to load the module and panics?
I wonder if that's maybe still coming from the loader (just before passing control to the kernel), not the kernel yet?
Here might be an interesting NetBSD install method:
I hope everyone gets the servers they want!
@linveo I guess you would have said something if you heard back from Virtfusion. Should we conclude that there is no simple and easy way to get OpenBSD or NetBSD via Virtfusion?
FreeBSD is installed on my VM. I like FreeBSD. But installing also is fun! I wonder if there is a good way to go directly from FreeBSD to NetBSD or OpenBSD and back?
Alternatively, @linveo is it okay for me to change my VM to Debian so that I can try following the cloudbsd.xyz install?
I hope everyone gets the servers they want!
FreeBSD works great on the Linveo instance and I'm very happy with its performance. Network is snappy and the node doesn't feel like it is crowded at all. Disk I/O is superfast. With both Root-on-ZFS and swap encryptions there's no noticeable performance loss. Even dd results are similar! Very impressive.
I definitely want to see OpenBSD and NetBSD both working here, but looks like we're at the mercy of VirtFusion. The problem must be something pretty simple and trivial since it is all just QEMU after all and it should support this just fine.
Sorry I forgot to reply to this earlier. It should be past the initial kernel loading as it shows the progress and ends at
18482656+671680+1425472 [871029+1254864+897200]=0x16e2aa0.
I believe after the core kernel loading it should start loading all the modules that are not compiled in and there it just throws the towel in either at the 9660.kmod or whatever it tries to load after that. My guess is that the 9660.kmod throws it off. Perhaps the virtio drivers are to blame...
It's been radio silent on the BSD templates. It doesn't seem well supported. Sure you can use any template you want now. I was hoping to get some good results with the other versions, but I have retired the templates for now.
linveo.com | Shared Hosting | KVM VPS | Dedicated Servers
For anyone who doesn't mind playing: your mission, should you choose to accept it..
Using FreeBSD (as that's appears to be the easiest to get running), install webmin along with an appropriate firewall, with webmin working GUI.
On the face of it, I'd prefer ipfw but the webmin GUI has a severe memory leak/resource issue whenever it's selected. Perhaps it's just my installation.
Any words of wisdom, will be appreciated. Yup, I could mess around in a shell prompt but life's too short/other things to do.
It wisnae me! A big boy done it and ran away.
NVMe2G for life! until death (the end is nigh)
I noticed Linveo VirtFusion panel had changed its appearance, so I was wondering if a newer version was installed with potentially better support, but booting NetBSD and OpenBSD ISOs failed the same old way.
As I mentioned just above, From Linux to NetBSD, with SSH only looks really cool to me! Today I got a chance to watch the demo video on cloudbsd.xyz. I think I am really gonna try it on my Linveo VM and maybe also on a Hetzner dedi. There are quite a few steps in the procedure that I never used before. For example, there is a
systemctl isolatecommand. I never usedsystemctl isolate. Is anyone else interested in trying this cool NetBSD install method?I hope everyone gets the servers they want!